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Post by woomera » Wed Aug 15, 2018 3:27 pm

Hi all,

Can anyone provide specifications, details, part numbers etc. for the original factory fitment Middlebridge Scimitar suspension? I understand the cars came with Bilstein coilovers front and back, and these passed through Harvey Bailey Engineering for tuning tweaks to match them to the specifics of the MB cars. I have approached Leda Suspension & Harvey Bailey Engineering Ltd. (as they are known now) but the company records don't show much more than the fact that H.B. did some Middlebridge work. The details of the Bilstein involvement are similarly patchy.

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Post by Will Anderson » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:51 pm

I don't think it will help much but part numbers are in the parts catalogue on Mick's site. Front damper assembly is 33037 and rear 330149.

If you want I can do a mailshot to the MESS members to see if any of them can help as not all are on Scimitarweb?


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Post by woomera » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm

Hi Will,

Thanks for the reply. Yeah in fact that scan of the parts catalogue was provided to Mick's site by myself! :-) I think the document was still very much a work in progress when Middlebridge folded - certainly a lot of sketches appear to be straight SE6B and don't show certain later MB mods. I suspect the parts numbers don't relate to actual manufacturer's codes, and may have been intended simply as internal references within the company.

I have been in touch with some of the MESS people; Mick, Dan, George, so far, but yes a callout to MB owners if you could would be brilliant, thanks very much.



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Post by peter freeman » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:58 pm

My MB has Bilsteins fitted but no idea of which ones - no compliants



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Post by woomera » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:19 pm

Hi Peter,

Very interesting to hear. Are they the factory originals? Is there any way you could find out what specific Bilstein parts they are?



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Post by peter freeman » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:28 pm

I will have a look when time permits - to see if I can identify hem



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Post by AJL Electronics » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:32 pm

Nothing worse than non compliant suspension Peter. ;-)


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Post by peter freeman » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:45 pm

Looking through the paperwork that came with the car QRG supplied bushes for the shockers in 2010 so perhaps Nigel also supplied the shocker themselves - Looking further back GW supplied Konis for it in 1999



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Post by Will Anderson » Thu Aug 16, 2018 7:24 pm

woomera wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm
and may have been intended simply as internal references within the company.
I think you are right, that was my guess! :)
woomera wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:21 pm
I have been in touch with some of the MESS people; Mick, Dan, George, so far, but yes a callout to MB owners if you could would be brilliant, thanks very much.
Hmmm, with the work they have done on shocks, if they don't have the answer we might be struggling but I will put out an email.


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Post by midscotscim » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:27 pm

Looking at the parts list a while back, I got the impression that the wishbones, hub & damper unit were supplied as pre assembled unit to bolt on to the chassis. Mine had Bilsteins on the front, replaced them 10 years ago with Girlings from GW. There were no visible markings on the original units save the Bilstein name. I did note the following however :-
Overall length = 15 inches, spring length ( on the damper ) = 10 inches, number of coils = 12
Unfortunately, I dont have the old units anymore.


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Post by woomera » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:17 pm

Hi all,

Just an update here. I have been in discussions with Bilstein and Leda suspension about sourcing original spec Bilstein shocks and Faulkner springs. They have finally identified the Bilstein factory part numbers and original drawings, and they have confirmed that they are able to produce the units. As with all things like this, the costs are going to come down if they can produce more units, rather than just a one-off set. So with this in mind, are there any of you out there that would be interested in a set of original shocks and springs? Or would the club be interested in carrying a stock? If so, I can pass on the details of who to contact so they can get an idea of numbers.



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Post by peter freeman » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:50 pm

My MB has koni's fitted all round and in good condition so a set to put away is not high on my list of things unless they are at a very good price



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Post by roymck » Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:32 pm

Many years ago the was talk about dual rate front shock / spring units for the MB , think a set got made and tried on a car but then what?



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Post by midscotscim » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:11 pm

Mick and George were working with AVO to come up with a dual rate solution, it was trialled on George’s car but I believe it had a rather unhealthy appetite for suspension bushes and was “ put on hold “. You might be able to find more info on the MESS site, I seem to recall seeing George’s reports on the subject in the news letters they send out.


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Post by gtcse8 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:52 pm

midscotscim wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:11 pm
I believe it had a rather unhealthy appetite for suspension bushes and was “ put on hold “.
Correct, I have done quite a lot of work on the mounting bushes on "shocks" fitted to Scimitars and MB`s. :idea:
The original Bilstein shocks have dried up now, and the mounting bushes are very rare.
I have done modifications to OE and aftermarket shockers to use metalastic type bonded bushes.
Mick G has these fitted to his Gaz, I think, Shockers as they came with poxy cr@p rubber sleeved bushes that were not even worth fitting when brand new, and they quoted a stupid price to make standard bushes fit :roll: :w pictures can be supplied if required.
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