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Post by MrGoldtop1960 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:28 pm

Hi,
I took a punt on eBay and was interested in what it was like compared to the original red and white type. I can’t remember if it has EFL90 actually written on it but it’s the same size as the one that I removed from the car and “assumed”, as it was a Ford Motorcraft, it would perform the same. Short of cutting both in half and comparing them, I’m quite happy with the black type performance and can’t see any difference.
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Post by drcdb15 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:24 pm

FrenchNewbie wrote:
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Is it better to buy the old white+red one for the ESSEX engine ?
I had to get a new filter for MB61 a few months ago, and there's been a bit debate in MB circles about the best filter, largely because the length of the 'standard' filter seems too long for the available space in some cars, but not in others. This is doubtless due to the individual build nature of this model, where no two engine bays are exactly alike. Like you, wanting to get "the best", I noted that the original specified filter was a Motorcraft, and like you I found various ones on eBay. But unlike you, I began to smell a rat, so I started to research things a little more deeply. What I found is this:

Today, "Motorcraft" IN THE UK is pretty much a shell company selling a range of "motoring lifestyle" accessories such as camping tables and chairs; Ford make precious little by way of spares for their older engines - certainly getting anything "genuine" from "Ford" for a 1989-91 Cologne engine in the DIY aftermarket for things like filters, spark plugs, fan belts etc is nothing more than wishful thinking. You may get 'serious' parts like engine components, but even these are fairly patchy. If that's the situation for a late 1980s engine, you can draw your own conclusions regarding a mid-1970s one. "Motorcraft" in the UK today is simply a branding exercise for getting your car serviced at a Ford dealer.

Someone mentioned that the only way you can really tell how good an oil filter is, is to cut it in half. Well Mann has done just that, and presented their findings here:




There are arguments for and against this, as shown in the 70+ public comments to the video. So in theory, a Mann filter *may* not be any better than a cheapo off eBay, as far as the protection your engine actually has or needs in practice goes. But you can probably be fairly certain it couldn't be any worse.

Having found what I did about Motorcraft, and knowing how expert the Chinese are at piggybacking on long-established British market brands, I would not trust any product now carrying the Motorcraft branding of the late 1990s. You can see from Ford's web sites here and in the USA that they have long since abandoned the old trade dress that was once so familiar in British garages and motor factors.


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Post by Oldconn » Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:13 am

I have been using Mann filters for about three years, because can get them delivered very quickly and cheaply from Oscaro.fr. I use them on my classic Mini and my Scimitar. For the Scimitar, which doesn'tr appear in Oscaro's lists, I order for the 3-litre Capri. No complaints about the quality ,they do have a non-return clappet inside, and I have good pressure hot or cold.


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Post by Scimher » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:45 am

The last couple of years or so I have used an EFL90, latterly got from an ebay ad. (2324 9743 9457) 'sandicliffeshopuk'....price now £11.99incl. P&P - up from £7.52incl. when I bought it. I've fitted two - probably both from the same source & have not been happy: the cold/start-up psi. has been pretty much the same but with the EFL90 the psi. seems to have dropped to a lower figure quicker when warm on idle - when under throttle the psi. is 60+, same as on start-up idle.....

Prior, I was using Fram filters from a local motor factor which seemed to give better hot psi. (about the same cold/start-up) - & Fram, reputedly, are not what they once were!

(I've already mentioned this, sometime ago, on here, but not in as much detail....)



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Post by RonH » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:22 am

I’ve recently bought two EFL90 filters (last month) from hendy e shop off eBay £8.99 each with free delivery. One came black and one red and white. Can’t bring myself to fit either after reading all of the above. Dilemma as what to do now.
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Post by AJL Electronics » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:36 am

Well all I can say is that the trade price for 10 off is more than you have paid.


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Post by David Tew » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:46 pm

Scimher wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:45 am
The last couple of years or so I have used an EFL90, latterly got from an ebay ad. (2324 9743 9457) 'sandicliffeshopuk'....price now £11.99incl. P&P - up from £7.52incl. when I bought it. I've fitted two - probably both from the same source & have not been happy: the cold/start-up psi. has been pretty much the same but with the EFL90 the psi. seems to have dropped to a lower figure quicker when warm on idle - when under throttle the psi. is 60+, same as on start-up idle.....
I also bought four of the EFL90 filters from Sandicliffe at £7.52 each. They're Ford main dealers so I doubt they're selling fakes. Perhaps the spec has just changed? :-?



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Post by David Tew » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:20 pm

I see there's someone selling Champ-brand (?) filters on eBay complete with a reproduction EFL90 label. They even come with instructions on how to put the sticker on to hide the original markings!

A bargain at only £8.70 inc. :shock:


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Post by Mr Bridger » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:57 pm

David Tew wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:46 pm
Scimher wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:45 am
The last couple of years or so I have used an EFL90, latterly got from an ebay ad. (2324 9743 9457) 'sandicliffeshopuk'....price now £11.99incl. P&P - up from £7.52incl. when I bought it. I've fitted two - probably both from the same source & have not been happy: the cold/start-up psi. has been pretty much the same but with the EFL90 the psi. seems to have dropped to a lower figure quicker when warm on idle - when under throttle the psi. is 60+, same as on start-up idle.....
I also bought four of the EFL90 filters from Sandicliffe at £7.52 each. They're Ford main dealers so I doubt they're selling fakes. Perhaps the spec has just changed? :-?
I've also bought from Sandicliffe. I have no doubt that these are genuine Ford filters, as you say they are Ford dealers, and so have bought several for the coming years.


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Post by old bean » Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:07 pm

Try a MAHLE OC23



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Post by malthouse » Sun Jan 06, 2019 7:30 am

Its an intersting subject, and over the years we have all seen the price of efl90 filters go up in price .
Having been in the industry for years you become aware like a lot of things back in the days when all headlights were round and 7” lots of manufactures produced the headlight but all gave it a different part no from the next, making it a different part and muddying the waters.
The same goes for oil filters if you care to cross check for example the MGB gt(spin off type filter) the same filter numbers applies as to the Efl90 and whilst its nice to see the sticker showing elf 90 its not ness different from the one showing a old BMC part no.
Providing a quality manufactured filter is used a considerable ammount of money can be saved when changing the oil and filter as regularly as most of us do



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Post by TrevorG » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:33 pm

I tend to browse eBay to see what's what when I'm bored and just noticed that all the Motorcraft filters have disappeared. Perhaps the powers that be realised they were copies after all.



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Post by TrevorG » Sat Feb 16, 2019 7:46 pm

That's interesting, they all seem to be coming back into eBay. What a pity that I didn't cross check to see if they are the same sellers.



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Post by RonH » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:13 pm

David Tew wrote: I also bought four of the EFL90 filters from Sandicliffe at £7.52 each. They're Ford main dealers so I doubt they're selling fakes. Perhaps the spec has just changed? :-?
Well something has definitely changed. The black “EFL90” is 4 ounces (25%) heavier. So still not fitted either. Any ideas as to which one to fit?
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Post by drcdb15 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:18 pm

RonH wrote:
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:13 pm
David Tew wrote: I also bought four of the EFL90 filters from Sandicliffe at £7.52 each. They're Ford main dealers so I doubt they're selling fakes. Perhaps the spec has just changed? :-?
Well something has definitely changed. The black “EFL90” is 4 ounces (25%) heavier. So still not fitted either. Any ideas as to which one to fit?
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Having spent a good few years in the IP field, may I offer a few words of (dis)comfort? First, the fact that the parts have come from a main dealer is absolutely no guarantee of authenticity. Fake parts enter the supply chain in all manner of fields which are far more tightly regulated and monitored than automotive parts, perhaps pharmaceuticals being the most worrying example. Aviation parts and service fluids comes a close second...

Next, Ford themselves obviously don't make oil filters, they make cars (arguably, they don't even do that, they just assemble lots of smaller bits made by others). Even the oil filter makers will buy in their component parts from other suppliers - I doubt for example that Fram has its own paper mill... so there is massive scope for variability in performance of these parts even from one batch to another of 'genuine' parts never mind counterfeits. So Ford will source from far and wide and no doubt have its own QA on incoming parts. The issue really then is, how confident are you that the item you've bought has been passed through Ford's QA process and really will perform to Ford's specification?

I have to say, I would be concerned by any critical item 'Made in Tunisia' since that country is not noted ime for its manufacturing excellence. But it may well be that a filter made in Tunisia and checked by Ford will perform to Ford's specification, provided of course that the item in question really has been checked in that way. However, you might like to compare that with the same test on, say, a Mann filter - how confident are you that the Mann filter really has been checked by the Mann QA process?

Mann + Hummel is an ISO 9001 accredited firm, so provided the Mann filter is not a counterfeit I'd be fairly comfortable that the item really has been QA assessed. As I've said before, Motorcraft is afaict merely a lifestyle brand, and I have seen no evidence to suggest that Motorcraft branded parts (as opposed to Ford's present maintenance servicing offerings) have such accreditation. Let me empasise this, I do not disparage the Tunisian item, as I say it may well perform to the Ford specification when new, and it may well still do so after 10,000 miles of use. The problem is that I have no way of telling, so it's a matter of confidence in the authenticity of the item in question, and the QA standard against which it has allegedly been tested. If Ford UK (as opposed to "main dealers", which are merely independent franchisees licensed to use Ford branding) sold Motorcraft parts and if Ford UK stated somewhere that those parts came through an ISO 9001 rated operation then I'd have no hesitation in accepting them. But as far as I can tell they don't.

You might find this item of interest, not so much for what it says as for what it doesn't mention - such as the identity of the contract suppliers and how what they supply is assessed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcraft


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