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Post by Oaksey » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:17 pm

I didn't intend on having a thread for this as it was supposed to just be my daily but as always, it's not worked out like that.

So after owning my Audi S1 for about 10 months, I decided it didn't quite fit the bill as it wasn't fun enough for a fun car or practical enough for a practical car so sold it in April. I'd basically decided on something like an E34 or E39 5 Series but finding a nice one with an engine large enough for comfortable towing was proving difficult. After some more playing round on gocompare, I found that I could insure an S2000 for half what a 2 litre diesel estate would cost to insure so I decided to get one now before they go up in value too much.

I started looking at the lower end of the market but became tired of 150,000 mile 'immaculate' cars that had so much rust I could put my fist through the sills or boot floor so I upped the budget and got this a few weeks ago
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A completely standard MY05 facelift with 83,000 miles, a new roof, clutch, TCT and full history.
Main issues were various scratches and an MOT advisory for under body corrosion, which was a bit harsh but helped me get nearly £1000 off asking price.

The first job was to sort the underside out as S2000s can definitely rot and this one will be used throughout winter. Like I said, the MOT advisory was a bit harsh and all that was really needed was a wire brush and some protection. I removed all the original seam sealer, protected all the metal and re applied just to be safe too.
As you can see, it was all in good shape really
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But I stripped it all back, used Dinitrol, Zinga and stonechip so it'll be all good for a while
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I took the rear bumper off and did the same behind there as it's a real weak spot
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Then a running issue started to become apparent. The idle was a bit erratic and the can would sometimes stall or lurch when pulling away but no lights or fault codes present, the idle air valve was fine and there was no change after I reset the ECU and made it relearn the idle. After some time with my OBD software having a look at inlet vacuum, TP, mixtures etc I took a punt on the MAP sensor and replaced it. The problem seems to have gone now but if it comes back, my guess would be the TPS.

As for the bodywork, I've made a start on the front end by clay barring, cutting it back, polishing and waxing it. Just have the rest to do and a couple of paint correction jobs
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That's the progress, the following is just ramblings of my general thoughts of the car.

I was interested to have a proper go in one and see if the reputation of S2000s being unsettled is deserved or not. Perhaps, as I can see someone who's only driven modern cars and particularly one of many newer sports cars with 4 wheel drive systems and very impressive traction control could get into an S2000 and instantly fall off the road. There's zero safety net in one of these with no electronic aids and a rear suspension set up that is inherently twitchy but it's not completely suicidal. If you treat it with respect, it's very quick and I'm particularly impressed with the traction pulling out of lower speed corners. It takes a lot for the back end to start to shake - unless it's wet. Then silly angles are easily achieved with little effort.

My observations of the Honda compared to both the Audi and the Ti are as follows.
If you want a fun car for occasional use, get a Ti. It's definitely more involving and fun. If you want to use it everyday, get the Honda - obviously. The S2000 is a nice balance between the old school fun of the Ti and the modern practicality of the S1. The S1 is miles quicker than the Honda in almost every situation but it was too easy. It would never try and kill you whereas the Honda does try. In that respect, points go to the Ti too. It could be because I knew the Ti very well, but it was far easier to drive quickly on the road, more predictable and much more stable. The Honda on the other hand is more challenging to drive quickly on the road as to get any sort of performance out of it, you have to be up at 9000rpm and it makes for a very twitchy drivetrain. That doesn't matter on track but on the road it makes a big difference.
One thing that I hadn't thought of but has become apparent is the difficulty in driving the Honda at normalish speeds without getting negative attention. In a normal car, Audi and Ti both included, when you're not going hell for leather but need to get somewhere, you just hold onto gears a little longer, change down a little earlier and use the throttle more. You're not making any noise and no one really notices you. In the Honda, it's extremely quiet under normal circumstances but if you want any sort of torque, you have to use VTEC and you get the very impressive induction bellow with it. Both this and the general noise of an engine doing more than 6000rpm attracts attention from other motorists and they think you're trying to kill both yourself and them, even though you're within the speed limit and driving at similar speeds to most sales reps in their diesel saloons. I still love the car though and for half the insurance cost of a diesel estate? Yes please


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Post by Benc » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:34 pm

Blimey the S2000 is catchy in Cheshire both of them polish up well😃



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Post by RonH » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:18 pm

Josh
So would £10000 buy a good one or just a reasonable one?
My next choice of car.



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Post by Oaksey » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:32 pm

£10000 would get you a cracking car or a pile of rubbish. You've got to put a lot of effort in to find one that's genuine. The majority of S2000 owners fit into the stereotype of guys thinking they'e God because they've wired a radio up but are either totally oblivious to the actual mechanicals of their cars or know how bad they are any try and fool people into thinking otherwise. Like I said, every single car I looked at had several wonderful adjectives in the adverts but most were badly covered up MOT fails.


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Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:43 pm

So the M140i idea has been binned then?


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Post by RonH » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:45 pm

So possibly start with low a mileage (less than 50000) full service history plus check MOT history etc?
Or a much greater and thorough detailed check?



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Post by Oaksey » Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:55 pm

Fraid so Craig. There was literally one build slot left (which I’d have loved so I could’ve had the last one made) but the lack of a regular employed meant I couldn’t get the £12k finance incentive.

That’d be a good start Ron but I reckon you’ll be looking at more than £10k for that


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Post by RonH » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:11 pm

Cheers Josh
Increasing the budget to 404 figures.



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Post by Corky » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:19 pm

That looks nice Josh. Great colour, much nicer than the boring noughties silver that mine is.

I went out in the Ti the other day, and I agree they are more exciting. The nice thing about the Honda is that you can cover loads of miles and still feel fresh at the other end. The noise is much nicer than that of a Ti, and although they don’t feel it, they are pretty quick when you look at the stop watch. I thoroughly enjoyed taking mine to Aintree.


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Post by *JP* » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:10 am

Oaksey wrote:
Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:55 pm
Fraid so Craig. There was literally one build slot left (which I’d have loved so I could’ve had the last one made) but the lack of a regular employed meant I couldn’t get the £12k finance incentive.

That’d be a good start Ron but I reckon you’ll be looking at more than £10k for that
Didn't know you were interested in an M140i,Josh?

Personally I think you dodged a bullet there,had one for a year myself,brilliant engine and auto box but rest of car rather average IMO.
Of course you can improve them by throwing money at them,replace the suspension,add lsd,etc but as it was it was rather a disappointment to me.

Although fwd the current Honda Civic type R is a far better thing,if you can live with the looks...the one of these I had, sadly,I didn't keep for long...but that's another story.

Never had an S2000,although nearly got there several times,but I've had several vtec Hondas and they were all rather good...until you got fed up with the lack of low down torque.

My current plaything is a GT86,which although in no way fast,makes me feel young when I drive it because of the vintage sports coupe feeling it provides,but with a 5 year warranty!

Good luck with the S2000,you won't lose money on it!



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Post by Oaksey » Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:35 pm

I was indeed interested in the M140i - after the S1 it seemed to make sense as it has a much more dramatic engine and a bit more space in the boot for Scimitar parts. I was only interested in it with the massive discount though so there was little chance of me losing any money on it in a year.

Back to the S2000 though and I'm making my way through the niggles list. I got some genuine interior mats from Luke's broken car to replace the nasty universal ones that were in it and I set about servicing it. Although this car has been looked after throughout its life, the pollen filter hadn't been changed in a very long time. Just one of those things that gets forgotten so I swapped it out for a new one. This photo was taken after shaking the filter out
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Next up was to take it off the road for a few more days and get the other rear wheel arch rust protected and stone chipped. All done now and it'll last a good long time I reckon.

The first job I actually had to do to the car was service the wiper system. As this car hasn't been used in the rain, the wiper spindles has seized in their housings! Everything was taken apart, I made and fitted some new bushes, replaced the seals, put the spindles back together and replaced the blades for good measure.

Other than that, I've just been going through the paintwork and removing as many scratches as will come out to get it looking as tidy as possible.
I know I've only owned it a couple of months but the car is going up for sale. The first reason being I don't want to ruin what's so special about this car by using it through winter and putting lots of miles on it and also because I still want a BM so it makes sense to do that now before I destroy the Honda
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Post by Roger Pennington » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:34 pm

I'm puzzled by the concept of a pollen filter in a convertible - do you pull it on over your head? :wink: :lol:


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Post by philhoward » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:38 pm

Roger Pennington wrote:
Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:34 pm
I'm puzzled by the concept of a pollen filter in a convertible - do you pull it on over your head? :wink: :lol:
The same could be said with aircon in a convertible... :w


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Post by Oaksey » Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:19 pm

Fresh MOT received today after a new pair of rear tyres, a number plate bulb and a new catalytic converter. Just need to get some decent photos and advertise it now.


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Post by scimjim » Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:05 pm

Oaksey wrote:
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a new pair of rear tyres
imagine my surprise :D :D :D


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