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Post by Dcrosby13 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 4:44 pm

These don't use points...


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Post by gtcse8 » Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:19 pm

Two optical eyes within the distributor.
Often called, amongst other names, Crank Angle Sensor, CAS.
One "eye" reads TDC, the other eye reads 360 degrees for firing injectors and spark


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Post by hermeticist » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:17 pm

Love the radio thing, shame it can't be used on these but thank you!

Ok, I haven't taken the crank damper etc. Off but... when the crank damper is aligned to 15° TDC:
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Then the cambelt is aligned so:
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There is an arrow mark, but I don't believe this is the alignment one:
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At the above alignment, the two rocker arms, on no.1 cylinder, can be moved, only about 1mm each but they are not under pressure from valve spring or cam:
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Please excuse the oil, I haven't changed it yet...

I'm going to check the alignment on the distributor whilst the cam cover is off.

Can anyone see anything wrong? Any suggestions are gratefully received!



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Post by hermeticist » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:20 pm

Sorry, photos aren't great but on the second photo you can see the white line is aligned with the punch mark on the top pulley - I am pretty positive the bottom pulley is also aligned and I'm guessing that if the damper and arrow mark up, the top pulley and white line do, and the rockers can also move in this position then the cambelt is ok?



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Post by 1800oldb » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:00 pm

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Post by scimjim » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:00 pm

It looks like you have a non-genuine belt (they don’t have the white marks mentioned in the manual). I don’t have my manual to hand but the cam pulley marks don’t look right and the crank needs to be at TDC to set it up.


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Post by hermeticist » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:26 pm

Crank was at TDC on cylinder 1 on setup. The belt was a Gates kit. There was a white mark alignment for the crank pulley mark and the cam pulley mark.

Although... TDC does seem to be on 15° on the crank damper, i.e at tdc the arrow points at the 15° marker, should it be at 0°?



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Post by scimjim » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:56 pm

Sorry, looking on the iPad I can just about make out the white line on the cam mark. If both lines were set against the pulley marks, the valve timing should be okay.

If the crank mark is at 15 deg instead of TDC, I suspect your ignition timing is 15 deg out (one way or the other).


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Post by hermeticist » Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:29 pm

Yes, that's what I suspect... I'm off to read my manual... Thank you, Jim!



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Post by hermeticist » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:04 am

I've been re-reading the manual and the top and bottom pulleys are definitely correct (although I can't see the keyway, the unused arrow and punchmarks are in the correct place). I cannot remember if the bottom damper and crankshaft pulley (not the bottom sprocket) can be installed incorrectly or do they have a locator or flat side?



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Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:14 am



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Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:59 pm

Pic of mine if it helps - camwheel with dot at the top aligned with white mark, arrow pointing down
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Crank wheel with woodruff key at the top and white mark aligned with dot at 5 o’clock


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Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:33 pm

And the marks on the crank pulley (not sure how these can possibly move tbh)?
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Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:41 pm

Pulley marks at TDC
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Post by philhoward » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:51 pm

Is it a damped/bonded pulley? I’m pretty sure the DET ones are so it should follow the ET ones are as well.


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