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Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:05 pm
by Dave 6726
Very basic q. here, gents:
Came to start SS1 1600 (Kirsty) and got the sticking effect, as if it had hit TDC somewhere and the starter just couldn't push past it. Tried again and got what I think was the solenoid chattering a bit feebly.
I seem to remember (last time this happened to me was forty years or so ago) this was a sign of a flat(tish) battery, so gave it about 15 hrs on charge. Tested battery and it was showing 12.8V.
Tried starter again : this time no chattering, just a big click but no turnover. Checked engine was moving by spanner on c/shaft pulley bolt and rocked it in gear in case of starter jamming. (Noted no good old-fashioned square end on the starter shaft!)
Tried starter again; high speed chatter from the solenoid, but otherwise nothing of note.
Bottom line: do I need a new starter (If yes, is the starter standard for Ford CVH 1600, or is it a Scim 'special'?), or is there something else I could check first?

TIA for any pointers

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:45 pm
by philhoward
When you get the clunk or chattering what happens to the dash light(s) - do they go dim (or out)? I’m going to assume you’ve checked the tightness of the main connection points.

It does sound like a starter motor failure - given the age of the car it’s likely to be a Sierra unit (OHC/Pinto engine, not the CVH or DOHC version), if the bolts go in from the engine side.

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:54 pm
by Dave 6726
Thanks for that, Phil.
I didn't notice what happened to the lights. Will check tomorrow and see where the bolts are while there.

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:45 pm
by peter freeman
Don't you have a set of jump leads Dave ? with more than one car worth having and not expensive.

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:56 pm
by Old and Slow
Before trying to start, put the headlights on; these should dim slightly when trying to start. If the lights go out completely then I'd suspect dirty battery terminals.

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:34 pm
by Dave 6726
peter freeman wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:45 pm
Don't you have a set of jump leads Dave ?
I've two sets actually, Peter, but after the battery top up it was fine on a 'proper' battery (condition) tester, so I didn't bother trying a jump. Could bear it in mind if all else fails.

OaS: I'll try it the morrer - thanks.

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:40 pm
by Dave 6726
philhoward wrote:
Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:45 pm
...given the age of the car it’s likely to be a Sierra unit (OHC/Pinto engine, not the CVH or DOHC version), if the bolts go in from the engine side.
That's a new one on me, Phil, I've always assumed it to be CVH. What other indicators are there to confirm a Sierra one?

Duff starter?

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:13 pm
by philhoward
If you’re lucky there will be some identification on it but when you consider the motor bolts to the gearbox, not the engine, it makes sense..

Many years ago (late 90’s), I took my ailing one into my local motor factors who identified it immediately as a Sierra one, confirmed with the aid of a parts book.