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Post by Corky » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:57 pm

Not seen photos of the Target before, but I really like it. The body design takes your eye away from the awkward rake of the windscreen that spoils the visual balance of the Sabre/SST.


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Post by Alan SS1 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:58 pm

Coupe Racing wrote:
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Didn't think they could make an SS1 look any worse ..... but they did ! :shock:
have you lost your white stick ???

I don't think it's 'that bad' (the towns or target) but as previously posted seems an expensive set of panels, like taking a perfectly good (if thta is still possible) Range Rover and tarting it by handing to 'custom panel' builder . .. . . . well I think that the Mk1 Range Rover (K plate) was 'stylish, but then lost the plot?

not really sure how long you could live with the lime green seat covers, you would need to always have a companion to cover said colour :wink:


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Post by td99 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:43 pm

Well, I think that Towns design looks like a lump of lard from the front. OK otherwise.
Later Sabre front end much better!


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Post by minibull » Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:25 am

I've mentioned before I've an article on this from one of the car magazines of the time. According to this it wasn't finished nor roadworthy. The article is illustrated by pictures of the car in red. Again according to the article William Towns persuaded Reliant to supply him a 1800ti, but they had nothing to do with the project other than assessing it as a possible restyle, with a hope of breaking into the US market. Presumably if Towns remarks to the Reliant Chairman on first seeing the SS1 are true they were happy to reject it. The reason it wasn't road worthy is the same reason no photo shows it with the headlights up. It had none! The headlight covers are just mouldings in the body shell. So the car probably never went to the US and presumably was resprayed in silver when the SS2 badges were removed and the indicator mouldings modified for the headlights. He rehashed the design for the Railton Fairmile F28 and managed to make it worse. That never made production either! Personally I can't think of a design of his that I like,the SS2 is probably one of his better attempts though my younger brother was a fan of the Lagonda. Even his best design the ssT is drastically improved just by the changes to the front and rear bumpers of the sabre (to be fair, if he redesigned these he managed to get that right, but I'm not sure that was him). I did promise I'd dig the article out for the club, It's only been about 7 years but I will.



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Post by DavePoole » Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:52 am

minibull wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:25 am
I've mentioned before I've an article on this from one of the car magazines of the time. According to this it wasn't finished nor roadworthy. The article is illustrated by pictures of the car in red. Again according to the article William Towns persuaded Reliant to supply him a 1800ti, but they had nothing to do with the project other than assessing it as a possible restyle, with a hope of breaking into the US market. Presumably if Towns remarks to the Reliant Chairman on first seeing the SS1 are true they were happy to reject it. The reason it wasn't road worthy is the same reason no photo shows it with the headlights up. It had none! The headlight covers are just mouldings in the body shell. So the car probably never went to the US and presumably was resprayed in silver when the SS2 badges were removed and the indicator mouldings modified for the headlights. He rehashed the design for the Railton Fairmile F28 and managed to make it worse. That never made production either! Personally I can't think of a design of his that I like,the SS2 is probably one of his better attempts though my younger brother was a fan of the Lagonda. Even his best design the ssT is drastically improved just by the changes to the front and rear bumpers of the sabre (to be fair, if he redesigned these he managed to get that right, but I'm not sure that was him). I did promise I'd dig the article out for the club, It's only been about 7 years but I will.
Hi, It would be good to see what magazine article you have on the SS2.

I have a number of articles on the SS2 from around September 1988.

In September 1988 "Specialist Sport Cars" magazine mentions that William Towns was first commissioned by Universal Motors to produce a full sized clay model built around the existing Scimitar 1800ti chassis after seeing the Towns Tracer. Reliant had nothing to do with the original agreement, although the finished concept car was given to Reliant for evaluation before being put on display at the October Motorshow.

In September 1988"Fast Lane" Magazine quoted "Saviour for Reliant" and said that Reliant have now signed an £800,00 agreement with Universal Motors to produce the reworked SS2 in the USA and states they will be fitted with the 1800Ti engines, which would meet US emission laws.

In November 1988 "Autocar & Motor" magazine mentioned that the SS2 was little more than a mobile mock up to show how a production car might look. The one piece glass fibre moulding has dummy panel joint lines. The reporter did drive the SS2 on the single roads around the Towns Estate. Having fatter tyres (20/50 VR15) gave more steering weight and a bit more grip.

In November 88 "Car" magazine said that Reliant refers to the SS2 as a design study implying that it has yer to go ahead.

In January 1989 "Sport & GT" magazine says For anyone who hasn't been following the progress of the Scimitar, a brief look at the the last few years may help explain the significance of the SS2 and it's arrival in the US. The body of the SS2 is mounted directly on the existing Scimitar SS1 chassis and basically the same as a Scimitar 1800Ti.

In September 1990 "Car" magazine stated that in July 1988 Universal Motors bought the marketing rights for the Reliant and America but shows no sign of contracting Reliant to produce cars. Plans to sign the SS2 manufacturing agreement are atleast 9 months behind schedule. prototype powered by GM 3.1 litre V6 engine was built by Reliant for Universal, but not tested and no federal safety development has been carried out.

In October 1991 "Autocar October" 1991 states that Towns company "Interstyl", is offering to rebody the SS1 as SS2 lookalikes for £5500 +vat

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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:38 pm

Mk2 Sabre is still better looking imho.

Making a small sports genuinely pretty is going to be difficult due to the proportions. Driver sits too high and not reclined enough, so screen has to be high and raked as it is. If the wheelbase were longer, mainly the rear wheels moved back, the driver could recline further.
Pete Silcock, Stew Brahmam and myself discussed this at length back in the day, with a view to 're bodying ss1s, and the conclusion was the car needed chopping through the middle, around the gear stick, and length adding there. The rear overhang could be reduced and the proportion would work better. As an enterprise it would never of worked, even just as a re-panel, as scim owners are too tight! :lol: any panel kit (1500-2000 quid) would also need £3k-£7k paint finish which on a decent 1800ti would pretty much triple the cost of the car but do little if anything to add to the donor cars value :(


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Post by Alan SS1 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:41 pm

DavePoole wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 11:52 am
The one piece glass fibre moulding has dummy panel joint lines. The reporter did drive the SS2 on the single roads around the Towns Estate.
that would been fun getting into :wink:

"driver sits too high and not reclined enough, so screen has to be high and raked as it is"

just dropping the seat on one side would help? how did the MX5 exhaust run , as that prevents the N/S from dropping on SS1


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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:45 pm

If anyone is following Gavin Farmers 3D pront group on Facebook, he's already printing composite wheel arch flares for his GTE, has made spoilers and even repair sections of missing bodywork, so I would see this as the future. In 3-4years I could see entire panels being printed by a small concern and bonded together to make a complete bodyshell. At the moment cost of large machines is prohibitive, you'd have to door commercially and numbers would never add up, but it's getting closer! There's a guy 3d printed a Lambo Aventador in small sections.
And some will scoff at 3d printing, but F1, the military, even Caterpillar and JCB use it as a matter of course. You can print metals too, as well as carbon fibre and other composites

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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:49 pm

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Yeah the idea of the Towns etc was to embody an existing chassis, lowering seats as is now commonplace with enthusiasts would certainly help, depends how far you want to go, it does end up like Triggers Broom if your not careful, new body, chassis tweaks, bigger tyres, better brakes--ends up being a new car with bits of a reliant as a donor

I've never liked the looks of the ss1 really, but could forgive it's looks for the drive experience. Many premier cars didn't give the real sportscar connected feel that the Tamworth Tearaway does :mrgreen:


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Post by Rattling » Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:54 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:49 pm
Alan. Many premier cars didn't give the real sportscar connected feel that the Tamworth Tearaway does :mrgreen:
So true :D


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