SE6b Power steering hp Pipe removal ???

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SE6b Power steering hp Pipe removal ???

Post by trevlac » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:41 pm

Next job is to remove the HP pipe, from pump to rack (it's the top right, in the photo) I thought it would be a straight forward job... :?
I've removed the wheel and plastic fairing, to give me more room, but I can only just get a spanner on it with nowhere for it to move...
How do you remove that union? is there a special technique? or special tool?
If I removed the 4 bolts hoding the rack down, would that give any more wriggle room?
Frustrated...
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Post by gtcse8 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:53 pm

If you remove Two of the bolts holding the Centre of the steering rods,there is a disc half way up. and then undo the Four bolts holding the rack down you will get a bit more room to possibly get the pipes undone.
They look very dry so a type of penetrating fluid may help :wink:


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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:08 pm

I think a flare nut spanner helps there?
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Post by gtcse8 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:13 pm

Just no room to swing those spanners Jim
They are too thick on most racks to even get them on the nuts :evil:
Also the nuts varied on AF, some were metric. others Imperial.


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Post by philhoward » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:16 pm

Crows foot socket time?


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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:18 pm

gtcse8 wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:13 pm
Just no room to swing those spanners Jim
They are too thick on most racks to even get them on the nuts :evil:
Also the nuts varied on AF, some were metric. others Imperial.
if they’ll fit on the nuts you get one flat at a time - the only way I’ve ever taken them off anyway.


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Post by gtcse8 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:21 pm

philhoward wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:16 pm
Crows foot socket time?
Just about get one in.
Problem is how close the unions are in the pinion block.
Can be a nightmare to get off in good condition. :w

I have lots of horror stories about getting the pipes off, and getting them to seal after I have supplied remanufactured racks.


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Post by gtcse8 » Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:25 pm

scimjim wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:18 pm
if they’ll fit on the nuts you get one flat at a time
Swinging the spanner is the problem.
I hated doing rack changes, cut knuckles etc. :twisted:


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Post by TrevorG » Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:01 pm

Mark knows that I've recently done mine with parts kindly supplied by him.
I used a flare nut spanner, but even then, the only way around getting the pipes on and off was to do them all in a logical sequence. And beware of following the workshop manual diagrams. There are two diagrams showing the piping layout. They differ in which pipes are labelled inlet and return. Doh!



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Post by myredscimitar » Mon Jun 15, 2020 7:53 am

Long time ago since I did this job, so the details are a bit vague now. What I do remember is that the only way I could get a spanner on the union's was to do all of them, but they had to be done in the correct order to get access.

Can't remember what order now of course, just go for the " easiest " first then look for the next easiest and keep going til you get to the one you want. I was taking the rack out so had to undo all of them. Once the first one is off access gets better.

Refit in the reverse order.


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Post by Terry H » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:52 am

What I do remember is that the only way I could get a spanner on the union's was to do all of them, but they had to be done in the correct order to get access.
That was my experience as well all off in sequence.
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Post by AJL Electronics » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:09 am

The only way is in sequence. They are all metric, but corrosion can make it a "good" fit. I seem to remember that 15mm and 17mm is what you want and Crow's foot spanners are a must. Get slim ones though, most of the kits are very chunky. Mine are Draper branded and flat profile.


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Post by trevlac » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:34 pm

Thanks everyone. Gonna head out and get some crows foot sockets; luckily Macinemart is a 10 minute walk form my house and they've got a cheapo set of 10 metric for £20. (also got the imperial for £16) Hopefully, they'll be up to at least one job :)



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Post by ard126k » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:45 pm

When I was trying to get mine off I finally resorted to cable-tying the pipes to the rack body and removing the whole unit. Then sent it to Mark - one of the horror stories he mentioned! Sorry again Mark. :oops:


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Post by TrevorG » Mon Jun 15, 2020 5:34 pm

I forgot to add that three of the pipes that I removed had to be cut or just broke first as they had rusted solid to the nuts and turned with the spanner. If you are removing and not wanting to replace, try copious amounts of freeing fluid over time first!



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