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Post by rjudcsx » Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:52 pm

You cant find a DB5 in a scrap yard to get the door anyway , unless you know something you want to share with just little old me :D Richard ps I look forward to your pm .



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Post by Sabreite » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:16 am

Scanned copy of Autocar road test of 249 JNX from 3rd April 1964 for those who have not seen it before. :hurrah:
I have a high definition scan but have reduced it as it was over 48 MB and I thought it would be trouble loading it to the forum.
Red Rocket I hope you have kept the Zenith carb and inlet manifold to retain with the car for putting back to original if wanted at some point, original parts always add value to the car.
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Post by chrisgallacher » Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:48 am

red rocket wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:22 pm
Taken from Dave’s FB post for those not on social media. The near and off side rear width differs to centre. Anyone else picked this up?
I've never measured mine before, but I've just done it and centre-to-wing top both sides at the rear are exactly the same. I assume it's a batch thing.

The bonnet at the front, well that's a different matter :shock:


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Post by red rocket » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:46 pm

Sabreite wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:16 am
Scanned copy of Autocar road test of 249 JNX from 3rd April 1964 for those who have not seen it before. :hurrah:
I have a high definition scan but have reduced it as it was over 48 MB and I thought it would be trouble loading it to the forum.
Red Rocket I hope you have kept the Zenith carb and inlet manifold to retain with the car for putting back to original if wanted at some point, original parts always add value to the car.
John
Thanks for posting John. Most of that article came with the file, but not all, so great to have the full piece.

I will be holding onto any original parts s you suggest, including the spare wheel bearing what looks to be the original Pirelli tyre!


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Post by red rocket » Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:50 pm

Chris, I was sloppy with my wording. The issue isn’t to centre but between the boot line “lip” and the wing tip either side. I haven’t measured the bonnet...!
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Post by scimjim » Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:34 pm

chrisgallacher wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:48 am
red rocket wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 3:22 pm
Taken from Dave’s FB post for those not on social media. The near and off side rear width differs to centre. Anyone else picked this up?
I've never measured mine before, but I've just done it and centre-to-wing top both sides at the rear are exactly the same. I assume it's a batch thing.

The bonnet at the front, well that's a different matter :shock:
with the regularity that Pither, Rew, Valler, et al were swapping, making, rebuilding Sabre chassis, bodies and bonnets in the 80s, how much do you think is “original”? :mrgreen:


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Post by gtcse8 » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:27 pm

scimjim wrote:
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how much do you think is “original”?
Like Triggers Broom, OR Old Number One.
Both of which have Reliant links :roll:


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Post by rjudcsx » Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:54 pm

The case of " Old Number One" is well worth a Google , it highlights the differing view points , that can some times be seen , regarding how some of us recognise originality and how some of our American cousins see it . The GT40 , Cobra fraternity is a case in point . The only true test of originality is if it is racing at the Revival :wink: Richard .



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Post by scimjim » Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:51 pm

rjudcsx wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:54 pm
The case of " Old Number One" is well worth a Google , it highlights the differing view points , that can some times be seen , regarding how some of us recognise originality and how some of our American cousins see it .
yes, a court of law decided that the DVLA regulations can be applied in an inverse proportion to your wealth - taking down the Middlebridge Company with it.


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Post by rjudcsx » Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:00 pm

Jim ,your comment re Old Number One and the DVLA have got me interested , could you add a bit of meat to the bone. Regards Richard .



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Post by Sabreite » Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:31 am

scimjim wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:34 pm
with the regularity that Pither, Rew, Valler, et al were swapping, making, rebuilding Sabre chassis, bodies and bonnets in the 80s, how much do you think is “original”?
Jim I think that statement is rather harsh. If I remember rightly Don and Robin did a lot to GTE’s Yellow Brick and Scimpart pickup, Rooster turbos, as they were plentiful and a lot being scrapped as well as saved back then. But Sabre’s were not messed about with. Don, Robin and especially my Father, were very keen to retain and maintain the originality of the model (maybe not so much on the engine side, as they were used in competition) and researching the history to establish the cars identity. Many of the cars that are around today would probably have been lost but for the enthusiasm of the early club members and I include Nigel Newth-Gibbs, Dave Womack, John Turner and Joe Devlin in that group.
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Post by scimjim » Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:12 am

Sabreite wrote:
Wed Sep 09, 2020 9:31 am
scimjim wrote:
Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:34 pm
with the regularity that Pither, Rew, Valler, et al were swapping, making, rebuilding Sabre chassis, bodies and bonnets in the 80s, how much do you think is “original”?
Jim I think that statement is rather harsh. If I remember rightly Don and Robin did a lot to GTE’s Yellow Brick and Scimpart pickup, Rooster turbos, as they were plentiful and a lot being scrapped as well as saved back then. But Sabre’s were not messed about with. Don, Robin and especially my Father, were very keen to retain and maintain the originality of the model (maybe not so much on the engine side, as they were used in competition) and researching the history to establish the cars identity. Many of the cars that are around today would probably have been lost but for the enthusiasm of the early club members and I include Nigel Newth-Gibbs, Dave Womack, John Turner and Joe Devlin in that group.
John
John, it wasn’t meant to be harsh in any way shape or form, it was meant to be humorous - hence the smiley at the end. I fully agree that many cars would have been lost if it weren’t for them - but you have to agree that there are many accounts in early slice mags of bodies and chassis being swapped and rebuilt to get there (something I might regularly do but don’t publicise due to more recent legislation).


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Post by rjudcsx » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:17 pm

I think we sometimes stumble with the words we use to describe a car , myself included . I for one use the word " original " when in fact " authentic " may be a more accurate word , this was highlighted the over evening when I re read the Judges summing up of the Old Number One case . A somewhat theoretical issue if the car is worth a modest amount , but it becomes more of an issue as the price rises . You could probably knock a few million of a GTO if a question hung over it . Sadly I will not have that quandary :cry: Regards Richard .



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Post by Old and Slow » Wed Sep 09, 2020 2:36 pm

Staying on-topic...
I've just been out to 660XYB and measured the distance from the spare wheel aperture to the rear lights, and both are 8 & 3/4"
Is this where the asymmetry is supposed to be, or am I measuring the wrong thing?


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Post by rjudcsx » Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:58 pm

Sorry for going on a tangent . Regards Richard .



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