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SS1 1800 CVH Project Steering column length?

Post by scimjim » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:10 pm

I have three here, top one is 660mm total length, lower two are 675mm. All three (thicker) top sections are 455mm so the difference is in the thinner section (with U/J).
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Post by philhoward » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:36 pm

Could the one be Sabre I wonder? Didn’t that have a different length pinion?


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Post by scimjim » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:44 pm

Just found a third spare at 675mm.

One could be Sabre or chevette?


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Post by philhoward » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:47 pm

Why would you have a Chevette column?

Certainly have one Sabre one in stock and I remember something about Sabre (and maybe SST) racks being different. We’ll leave Chevette racks in SS1’s out of the equation for the moment!


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Post by scimjim » Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:56 pm

philhoward wrote:
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Why would you have a Chevette column?
because I stripped the complete front end from a low mileage crashed Chevette in a scrapyard many years ago :D


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Post by philhoward » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:01 pm

scimjim wrote:
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philhoward wrote:
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Why would you have a Chevette column?
because I stripped the complete front end from a low mileage crashed Chevette in a scrapyard many years ago :D
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Post by Ford » Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:57 pm

Upper column for reference is 495mm
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Post by gtcse8 » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:59 pm

philhoward wrote:
Sat Jul 11, 2020 3:47 pm
I remember something about Sabre (and maybe SST) racks being different?.
Phil out of ALL the SST and SS1 racks I have worked on they have all had the same dimensions.

Ok different compositions and manufacturers, but ALL the same sizes. :wink:
But I do gather the OE Chevette has a slightly different input pinion shaft.

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Post by reliant-reviver » Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:52 pm

All detailed on the steering rack thread why repeat myself?

Suggested a solution also. Chevette coupling.


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Post by reliant-reviver » Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:10 pm

Thanks Jim

Do wonder where your short lower column has come from. Can't think it is a Chevette item.

Maybe Peter's car has the same shorter item. In which case time for a swap!


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SS1 1800 CVH Project Steering column length?

Post by Peter S » Sun Jul 12, 2020 10:37 am

Thanks for all the replies. I'm now more confused than ever :? Both columns seem to be the correct length the top one just under 500mm and the bottom one 675 overall (from bottom thin 215 thicker 255 upper 130 gives 600 to underside of UJ +75 for UJ gives 675 all approx but close :wink: )
I can't see how I've of it wrong :?: It's a SS1 rack (2.9 turns) so I've now checked the lower coupling it's 90mm overall (approx) and the length of the pinion shaft visible is 50mm ( there is a photo earlier in the thread)
Could anybody confirm these are "standard" :?:
Otherwise I've no idea what wrong or what what I've done wrong as overall it's about 35-40 too short.


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Post by Alan SS1 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:39 pm

daft question, it's not been 'compressed' in an accident?


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Post by Old and Slow » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:40 pm

I have absolutely no knowledge of how the SS1 goes together, but is it possible to mount the rack in front of the chassis fixings instead of to the rear, so that it has ended up too far forward?


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Post by scimjim » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:29 pm

Old and Slow wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:40 pm
I have absolutely no knowledge of how the SS1 goes together, but is it possible to mount the rack in front of the chassis fixings instead of to the rear, so that it has ended up too far forward?
no it isn’t.

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Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre, TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR).
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