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Post by GavinR » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:12 pm

Thanks - the last thing I want is a Q plate, especially as I have already proved the age of the chassis
I also didn't think they issued Q plates any more, giving new plates to kit cars, etc


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Post by scimjim » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:28 pm

They definitely still issue Q - kit cars only get new plates if the majority of it is brand new.


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Post by roymck » Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:57 am

The identity of the car as it has a chassis is with the chassis and not the body . So you have a car that the chassis does not match the ID of the car it is fitted to , so how old is it ? Hence the Q plate .
However if you said I have a car with no ID but I do have a chassis number stamped on it and I can date the chassis to a particular month and year then they may have given you a age related plate .
You can swap a better body on a Scimitar and keep the same reg number from the original chassis , if you swap a chassis you should use the reg plate that goes with the chassis .
Fit a NEW chassis to a Scimitar then you keep the original identity , fit a S/H chassis and you are in murky water .
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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:22 am

Reinstatement of an original registration number can be extremely difficult as you are finding. As Jim has stated Q is still issued for kit cars but also for cars that originate from several donor vehicles. I appreciate that you have proved the age of the chassis but that chassis number on your vehicle has been allocated its own registration number seemingly not the registration plate shown on the car KVL121H. As you will know in simple terms the registration number of a vehicle "belongs" to the chassis. I appreciate that you may not know this number but more often than not a simple HPi check would show it. It is likely you would have a better chance of obtaining the registration number for the chassis than one just for the body.
To obtain an age related plate the applicant would need to prove that the vast majority of the vehicle is from a specific year but you still have the issue you are trying to reregister an already registered chassis, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that the number allocated to your chassis is a vehicle driving around (with a different chassis).
I am really surprised that the engine number was not taken as when I recently applied for a V5c(w) for a vehicle that had been off the road for 20 years I was sent literature stating that it had to have the engine number registered with the DVLA not a like replacement. I was fortunate it had its original engine but how many owners failed to update the V5c document when they change an engine which could cause problems further down the line.
I suppose at least neither the vehicle KVL121H or what ever the chassis is allocated isn't a stolen vehicle (more common than you think).
I think you are stuck with a q plate, may be you could try and apply for the registration number allocated to the chassis if the HPi check is fruitful.... unfortunately this isn't the only Scim out there that has mismatched numbers :w

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Post by halfpenny » Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:55 am

I suppose the rules prevent swopping a Q plate for a conventional one held on retention? That would seem logical.



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Post by roymck » Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:37 am

halfpenny wrote:
Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:55 am
I suppose the rules prevent swopping a Q plate for a conventional one held on retention? That would seem logical.
Yes Q plate is for life , unless under extreme circumstances in some cases you can prove the age the original reg number entitlement .



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Post by GavinR » Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:54 pm

Time for an update

After enquiries on a few forums, I found someone very helpful who had access to the right checking system and he gave me the following information from the Chassis Number 451598
SBF472J, First Reg 30/12/1970, Yellow, Engine SC2358, Last Keeper 07/07/2005, and it was imported

I then did my own HPI check using the Reg just to confirm everything matched
The Reg existed on the DVLA Vehicle Enquiry and stated it had been Untaxed since 2009

At first, I wasn't sure what to do and with everything else going on, I thought I would wait until the DVLA were back up to speed

Taking notes of the comments above, that the ID of a vehicle belongs to the chassis, I applied for a logbook on 1st September
And this arrived today :D
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So I now have the correct ID / Registration for this car and I can move forwards with getting it back on the road, which will include painting it yellow!


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Post by scimjim » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:22 pm

Result 👍


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Post by philhoward » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:33 pm

Indeed - great result, even if it's taken a while. Saying that, 4 weeks for an application is pretty good going under normal conditions!


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Post by GavinR » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:39 pm

I was surprised - I had a letter back on 18th Sept saying the V62 would be processed on 28th September and it obviously was
I did expect further questions but I'm not complaining :)


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Post by philhoward » Thu Oct 01, 2020 1:44 pm

If the numbers match and the previous keeper doesn't complain (I think they have 14 days?) then it's "simple"...


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Post by rjudcsx » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:03 pm

Geraint , I note in your post that you put " new " in capital , do you know how DVLA define / ascertain new , yes bought 30 years ago from Reliant and kept in the barn since then , receipt and paperwork lost , sold on twice, surface rust and a bit of damage in storage . Regards Richard .



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Post by philhoward » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:09 pm

No receipt, no proof..


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Post by scimjim » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:18 pm

Took me 5 minutes to find what Richard was talking about - then realised it was in Roy’s post, not Geraint’s :roll:

Stamp the chassis number on the new chassis and no-one will ever know as long as you destroy the original.


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Current: SE5 (8Ball), 1400 1600 1800 Zetec ST170 powered SS1 (G97), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
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Post by rjudcsx » Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:30 pm

Sorry all , got confused due to an overdose of coke [ the drinking type ] and denture tablet fumes . Thanks Phil for the reply to my hypothetical question , now what did I do with that angle grinder ? Richard .



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