Alternative front seats?

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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by limegreen5A » Wed May 18, 2016 10:48 pm

Oaksey wrote:Another possibility here. These are fitted to a series 1 E-Type and they're very nice. All I know is, they're Japanese but I'll ask the owner what they're from when he collects it
I have a feeling these are MX5 ones re-trimmed - there are a couple of companies offering MX5 retrims to fit e-types. I may be wrong - will be interesting to hear. (just bought some mx5 seats to re-trim from their current cloth to something that better matches the rears)


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by PeterSE6a » Thu May 19, 2016 7:53 pm

I had a look at some Honda Type R seats today at a local breakers but wasn't in the Scimitar so couldn't try them in (My passenger seat is out at the moment ) They looked maybe do able but I need low cushions as I am a lanky bugger, and the price of £100 seems steep as they needed re trimming as the drivers was ripped on the bolster :(


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by Mr Bridger » Fri May 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Is it just the Mk1 MX5 seats that fit a Scimitar (specifically the 5a) or will seats from later model MX5 fit?


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by PeterSE6a » Tue Jun 28, 2016 4:58 pm

Update!! a friend was fitting some Mx5 seats to his TVR Chimera so I buzzed around his house to try the Mx5, seats sit me even higher than standard seats, but tried his TVR seats and decided they would fit and I sit lower, deal done and now in the process of fitting them , drivers seat in but rain stopped play today :( I will try to post some pics when I am done :)


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by BigBobPilot » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:29 pm

I've just read in Slice 270 the "SE5 Seat conversion". The use of an MGF seat is fine, but please, please do not copy the mod. made to make the seat tilt. I've emailed Terry Rikard to ask for a warning to be printed in the next Slice and also pass on my email to the author of the article. It is so scarily dangerous it has compelled me to action. The rear mounting hole of the recline plate has been slotted so that it pivots on the front marriage bolt. Like most bolted joints, this is a friction joint. removing 2 of the 4 bolts and having the front 2 loose to allow the thing to pivot will lead to a horrible failure in a crash, whether it's from the front, rear or side. Also the loose joint will be subject to wear & fatigue. It has not been legal to have non-locking squabs for decades, but this is worse as it's taking a seat not even designed to do this. As background, I'm am Automotive Engineer by profession, I've worked in seat design for approx 7 years.

The MGF seat shared commonality with other Rover seats, 3 door options were available in the Rover 200 latterly the MG ZR. This has a purpose designed tilting squab that locks.

For any seat in a Scimitar, even the original, all the compies weld cross braces in between the chassis rail and the side rail and bolt the seats to these, don't rely on the GRP even with a spreader plate.
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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by scimjim » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:03 pm

Must be a dodgy MOT too:

6.2 Seats and Doors Information

Method of Inspection

2. Check that the backrests of all seats (front and rear) can be secured in their normal upright position.

Reason for Rejection

2. A seat back that cannot be secured in the upright position.


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by BigBobPilot » Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:17 pm

With my above warning out the way, as another option to throw in the mix of alternative seats, I have a MR2 mk3. Although it's only a 2 seater, the seats tip forward for access to the storage lockers behind the seats (there is no boot). The tip lever is at the side, it's the same lever for the recline, not seperate, so it only returns to the formost lock position. The drivers seat is height adjustable (passenger not). Leather & cloth options. The last models 2005-06 had an option for heated seats. I've not done any measurements, but here are a couple of photos:

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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by ScimmyMike » Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:39 am

scimjim wrote:Must be a dodgy MOT too:

6.2 Seats and Doors Information

Method of Inspection

2. Check that the backrests of all seats (front and rear) can be secured in their normal upright position.

Reason for Rejection

2. A seat back that cannot be secured in the upright position.
How does that work for Coupe seats then Jim, they don't lock back upright, no such device, presumably there's some sort of 'if originally designed to' criteria?


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by philhoward » Tue Aug 02, 2016 10:51 am

Are we getting confused with the backrest as opposed to the whole seat? 5/a seats just rest there (whole seat tips forwards) but the backrest locks in the upright position and I'm guessing Coupe ones do as well?


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by Nick » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:26 am

On both my Coupe's the seat back tilts with simple rake adjustment and no back lock. Quite normal in period I think. If replacing it would make sense to take advantage of more recent technical improvements with the back locking.

As Ben outlines my rigid Comp seat is bolted to additional steel braces under the body.


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Aug 02, 2016 11:45 am

ScimmyMike wrote: How does that work for Coupe seats then Jim, they don't lock back upright, no such device, presumably there's some sort of 'if originally designed to' criteria?
Yes, the MOT manual says
Original Design characteristics and specialised modifications (e.g. to enable wheelchair access) are to be accepted.
So if you're talking about the *original* seats, then as I read it, they would be acceptable, but of course here the issue isn't about original seats.


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by scimjim » Tue Aug 02, 2016 1:27 pm

ScimmyMike wrote:How does that work for Coupe seats then Jim, they don't lock back upright, no such device, presumably there's some sort of 'if originally designed to' criteria?
Nick wrote:On both my Coupe's the seat back tilts with simple rake adjustment and no back lock.
You're confusing the seat back with the complete seat.

As Phil says, the seat back can be locked in the upright position (relative to the seat base). The fact that the complete seat doesn't lock in the down position comes under the original design characteristics clause that Roger mentions.


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by jeff hoole » Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:13 pm

As Mike & Nick say, coupe seat backs do not lock they just tilt forward, base just slides on runners & does not tilt like a 5a.


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by BigBobPilot » Tue Aug 02, 2016 3:04 pm

To be honest, I have no interest in what the original seat does, as it is the original period seat installed in the way it was designed. My comments are with respect to a replacement seat and the dangerous modification made to it to install it in a way that it has not been designed for. In the end of the day, folks can do what they want to their own car and wait for the MOT man to condemned it. I was trying to highlight something that made me shudder in the hope that no one will copy this.


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Re: Alternative front seats?

Post by fightingtorque » Mon Sep 19, 2016 3:51 pm

I have Recaro seats from a Ford, the guy I bought them from didn't know what they came out of, probably something like a Fiesta RS turbo from the late '80s / early '90s. I've got them mounted on the SE5 runners using the original pivot points and set as low as possible just clear of the carpet. Basically a good fit but the driving position is a bit too high for me - it's a bit of a struggle to get left leg under the steering wheel as you get in, although comfortable once you are there. But it puts you a bit higher than the original seat and for me it lacks the feeling of being sat low down that you should get in a car like this.

I want to put some steel cross braces in so that it is more ridgidly mounted and also lower the floor at the same time. Are there any previous posts anyone point me to where this has been done before? I searched but didn't find any.

Obviously, there is the exhaust under there to consider, but I need to redesign that anyway as I currently have standard Scim exhausts which are a step down size from the outlets of my non standard engine.



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