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Post by rkclodhopper » Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 pm

The March 2019 issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine landed on my mat this morning and on page 20, illustrating a report on the New Year's Day gathering at Brookland's, is a picture showing Rogers lovely yellow 6a, although not mentioning it in the caption.
Then on page 55 another picture, this time a stunning red 5 used by Martin Buckley to illustrate a rather uncomplimentary article about Scimitars and how they share the same engine as Capri's, loved by Royal's and other celebrities and yet they fall into a small group of what he calls unloved cars, although he admits to warming to them.
Are we better off, as owners and as a club, with them being viewed like this or should we hope that one day the duckling will be seen as a swan.

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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:29 am

If they were universally loved, they would fetch 20k for a basket case and 60k-100k for a nice one like E Types and would price them out of 90% of scim owners price range. Reckon we should be smug that we love them.and can afford them, it's the other owners that pay through the nose for often inferior classics :wink:


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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:33 am

Why someone would pay (over) twice the price for a Capri I’ve no idea..their loss personally. Only downside is the Capri boys are making “our” bits more expensive :D


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Post by roymck » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:43 am

It’s Dave Poole,s SE5 that’s shown , must admit does look nice . Suppose if Capri Owners didn’t exist there would be less parts about. Would you find new timing wheels , camshafts , cam followers if they only fitted a Scimitar engine ?



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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:45 am

True...


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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:33 am

It's demand mainly. Many more people owned capris in their yoof, hence there's a greater number of 'potential' owners for the few remaining capris left, hence they demand higher price. The scimitar was a low volume niche car when new, so pro rata smaller current market.
Other thing was reliant have no competition history barring the much older Sabres, and this has a direct effect on values and desirability. The Sabres prove this beautifully, with examples commanding £50k plus. If only Reliants marketing had embraced competition in the 70s and 80s, I'm convinced we would have more specialist restorers and suppliers than we do now and the values would also be higher than they are now. Ford's famous line 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday' is again proven right. How many 1300/1600 Capris were bought new as people hankered after a 3litre from watching saloon car racing on Grandstand, same with boggo Sierras when people lusted after Andy Rouses Kaliber Cosworth. The GTE was marketed as a practical sporting car (which it is) but no one ever lusted after a woman coz she was practical!! We all chase excitement and 'performance' :wink:


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Post by Nick » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:41 am

Craig is correct. The fact that 70's Fords rust out means few exist in half decent condition. Compare that with Scims.

To me Scims seem a bit more than the sum of their parts. Less sophisticated than my Lotus, but in some respects more effective. The best early Elans are now pushing £50K. so fibreglass not necessarily a problem. I have to say Reliant fibreglass is not generally as good as Lotus.

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Post by rkclodhopper » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:16 am

You are right Craig although lusting after a Kaliber never happened for me.

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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:03 pm

rkclodhopper wrote:
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You are right Craig although lusting after a Kaliber never happened for me.

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I've never lusted after a cossie or a GTE or an elan, each to their own I guess, and defo NEVER lusted after a non alcoholic Kaliber beer!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:04 pm

I've always fancied an AC3000ME inspite of it having an Essex... :mrgreen:


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Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:05 pm

rkclodhopper wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:43 pm
The March 2019 issue of Classic & Sports Car magazine landed on my mat this morning and on page 20, illustrating a report on the New Year's Day gathering at Brookland's, is a picture showing Rogers lovely yellow 6a, although not mentioning it in the caption.
Thanks Richard, the Yellow Peril seems to have got some good exposure from the event, worth the entry fee, anyway :D They say a picture is worth a thousand words, so I can manage without the caption! :lol:


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Post by *JP* » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:34 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:33 am
It's demand mainly. Many more people owned capris in their yoof, hence there's a greater number of 'potential' owners for the few remaining capris left, hence they demand higher price. The scimitar was a low volume niche car when new, so pro rata smaller current market.
Other thing was reliant have no competition history barring the much older Sabres, and this has a direct effect on values and desirability. The Sabres prove this beautifully, with examples commanding £50k plus. If only Reliants marketing had embraced competition in the 70s and 80s, I'm convinced we would have more specialist restorers and suppliers than we do now and the values would also be higher than they are now. Ford's famous line 'Win on Sunday, sell on Monday' is again proven right. How many 1300/1600 Capris were bought new as people hankered after a 3litre from watching saloon car racing on Grandstand, same with boggo Sierras when people lusted after Andy Rouses Kaliber Cosworth. The GTE was marketed as a practical sporting car (which it is) but no one ever lusted after a woman coz she was practical!! We all chase excitement and 'performance' :wink:
Your analysis may be true but some of us who were around in the 60s/70s and had acquired a bit of car knowledge,compared the Capri to the Scimitar and concluded:

Overdrive v not available
Proper located axle v cart sprung
Double wishbone front suspension v struts that rely on the arb to hold it all together an soon have a rusting out top mount.
No rust issues whatsoever for 10 plus years v rust problems guaranteed after about 3 years.
I could go on...

Fords had their place then (e.g rallying) but to this young car addict the 3litre Capri was nowhere near a Scimitar.



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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:57 pm

Blimey, unusual me being challenged as too young! :shock:

Guess that's a back handed compliment, you old guard are blamed for enough, so going for the weird plastic car option yet another example of the drugs all you 60s hipsters did I guess and should be forgiven... :lol:


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Post by *JP* » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:06 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:57 pm
Blimey, unusual me being challenged as too young! :shock:

Guess that's a back handed compliment, you old guard are blamed for enough, so going for the weird plastic car option yet another example of the drugs all you 60s hipsters did I guess and should be forgiven... :lol:
I remember well what I was doing in the "Summer of Love" (1967) but no drugs or promiscuous sex were involved,that's perhaps where it all went wrong... :wink:



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Post by BigBobPilot » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:24 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:57 pm
Blimey, unusual me being challenged as too young!
Don't worry, it can easily be swung back if required!


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