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Post by DARK STAR » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:11 pm

DB Panhard ...
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Post by chrisgallacher » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:45 pm

scimjim wrote:
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A clever person has made this computer rendering www.3dengineers.co.uk/reverse-engineeri ... ase-study/
It's amazing that this car has gained such wide publicity and yet it still remains unidentified. Especially as it appears to be so well designed and screwed together.

Most one-off specials simply look wrong, but this car - to my eyes - looks correct, balanced and pretty from all angles. Some serious design work appears to have gone into it. And if it really was a one-off, what are the chances it found its way to a full-colour photo in a book?


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Post by Old and Slow » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:23 pm

Well, knock me over with a prickly cactus!!! :)
Looking again at the picture it looks nothing like a Sabra... :shock:


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Post by minibull » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:34 pm

It seems most likely the car is a one of if simply because I doubt many manufacturers would use Hillman minx rear window and rear door windows.Though given the screen and door windows are clearly rootes group and there is a close resemblance to the alpine just maybe it was a Harrington prototype.



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Post by DARK STAR » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:49 pm

I see what you mean ...
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Post by minibull » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:09 pm

Almost, have a look at the Minx rather than the Super Minx illustrated.



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Post by roymck » Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:03 am

Would have thought that a car as nice as the mystery car would have survived wonder if it’s out there somewhere ?



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Post by DARK STAR » Wed Dec 04, 2019 12:26 pm

The one that Jim and I both found was, strangely, an Ashley with many Hillman parts ...
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The chassis of this one survived but the body was scrapped.


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Post by RickMW » Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:39 am

I was fascinated to find this as I've had a copy of the book 'Buses, Trolleys and Trams' since the 1960's and have always been puzzled by this mystery car.
My own thoughts are that it is a special body on a Daimler SP250. Superimposing a photo of an ordinary SP250 taken from the same angle shows that the wheel sizes and positions are the same and that the driving position coincides, although the windscreen does not.

Hoopers built a special touring car body on an SP250, of which very few photos exist. The front wing-line and bonnet top of that look to be the same as the mystery car, although the nose and everything else are different. Since the Hooper SP250 didn't come to anything, I wonder if someone got hold of the moulds and used sections of it for this car. The windscreen looks to be a Hillman Minx rear window and the front 'dome' of the cabin could be be moulded from the rear of the roof of a Minx, sloped backwards a bit.

Here is a picture of the Hooper SP250 to compare with the mystery car. The section of the Hooper car that coincides with the shape of mystery car I've coloured blue. The mystery car's body seems to sit a bit lower on its wheels than the Hooper SP250.

Another Daimler SP250 clue is that the front overriders on the mystery car look the same as those fitted to the rear of SP250's when optional full bumpers weren't specified.
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Post by Terry H » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:04 am

Too Me the bonnet on the mystery car looks like it's a flip front like the E-Type Jaguar and Triumph Spitfire.
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Post by RickMW » Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:24 am

In the photo of the mystery car it's difficult to see but there could be the merest hint of a hinge in front of the windscreen in the same place as on a normal SP250 and the Hooper one. If that's the case, then possibly a one-piece bonnet that lifts up from the front.

And here's a picture of SP250 rear overriders, which look the same as the ones on the front of the mystery car. They might not be unique to the SP250 though. Different overriders were fitted to SP250s with full bumpers.

Apparently the Hooper SP250 was rebodied with a normal Daimler SP250 body.
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Post by DARK STAR » Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:48 am

Now that IS interesting.
And the mystery car is much prettier than the Hooper.
The rear wings also look like the Hooper, and not like a normal SP250.


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Post by RickMW » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:32 pm

A few more observations. The location in Oxford Street where the mystery car was photographed is within half a mile of Hooper's former HQ and showroom in St James' St. although that was probably closed by 1962.

Previously I pointed out the close resemblance of the front wings and bonnet of the mystery car and the Hooper SP250. Looking closely there appears more of a convex curve to the top of the mystery car's front wings than the Hooper car. The Hooper's wings actually appear to flare upwards slightly toward the headlamp cowls. That would be something that could be altered quite easily at the mould making stage, I'd imagine.

I was looking at pictures of the yellow barn-find car earlier in this thread. I certainly has some similarity with the mystery car. The windscreen looks the same (Hillman Minx / Sunbeam Rapier rear window?) and the idea for the gull-wing doors is similar but the doors themselves on the yellow car are much less neat, even taking into account distortion with age. The profile of the front wings looks similar too. Maybe the people responsible for the mystery car were also involved in the yellow car.



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Post by siw1800 » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:17 pm

1 Tail pipe, so not a Dart engine???


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Post by scimjim » Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:46 pm

My doubt with all of the Daimler suggestions has always been the height of the bonnet - even with the raised wings trying to hide the bonnet line and central bulge, I’d be very surprised if a Daimler V8 would fit in there?


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