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SE5/a SPAX or GAZ coilover suspension road legal anywhere? Preferably Germany?

Post by Pepe » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:14 pm

Hey guys,

i have an adjustable GAZ suspension and not yet tried to make it road legal.

As my SE5a is over 30 years it is registered as a Classic car in Germany. For this it need to be period correct with period (max 10 years after build date) equipmant and accessories.

There is proove that Spax built adjustable suspensions for Scimitars in one of the club magazines back from the day and also from Spax directly.

I conclude an adjustable suspension should be road-legal. As Dampers wear they are subject to being replaced, hence an aftermarket coilover suspension should also be ok.

My question to the forum is if anyone - preferably in Germany - has either a Spax or GAZ suspension registered on his SE5/5a. If So I'd like to ask for a photocopy to aid my registration process for this suspension...
Basically this is a bit tricky as both companies do not have TÜV papers for this, to the Scimitar SE5/a was never officially esported to germany hence there is no after market here for that at all....

Any help appreciated!

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Post by philhoward » Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:08 pm

Gaz didn’t exist within the 10 years after 5a (or even Scimitar) production..

Marco over in Saarland purchased a set of Gaz (I brought them over for him when I was working near) but I don’t know if he got them fitted - or even if they were adjustable seat types or “direct replacement”?


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:05 pm

I would fit whatever I wanted and paint them black, I honestly don’t think anyone would be able to tell?


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Post by erikscimitardemon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:59 am

efi_sprintgte wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 3:05 pm
I would fit whatever I wanted and paint them black, I honestly don’t think anyone would be able to tell?
My senses tell me this is a wise remark :D

Or paint them red and tell when asked those are Konis.


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Post by scimjim » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:07 am

I’m sure you can buy Koni stickers :W

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Post by erikscimitardemon » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:16 am

Pepe wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:14 pm
For this it need to be period correct with period (max 10 years after build date) equipmant and accessories.
How can you prove this? Especially on older cars. Even new OEM equipment for classics will be different. In a technical sense a GAZ shock absorber is the same as anything else alike from 1974.

If you take this literally, a sat nav system is not allowed in any classic car! Or a USB type radio/mediaplayer!


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Post by philhoward » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:19 am

scimjim wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:07 am
I’m sure you can buy Koni stickers :W

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from ... r&_sacat=0
Paint them yellow (or to be historically accurate, I think the should be blue?) and fit Spax stickers? :W


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Post by Pepe » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:47 pm

Good ideas :)

But I think it isn't that easy... back then as i needed toregister the car in Germanyfor my wedding for "safety and timing Reasons" I left the old coilovers cleaned and painted in black in there. And although on damper was leaking heavily and definitly empty they accepted the H-Registraction (Classic Car in Germany).

As the Scimitar model wasn't ever registered in Germany usually it first inspected as a whole car to check its road suitability (period, §21) to make it road legal, and then the H registration insprection (originallity and minimum condition 3 out of 5, $29) is performed.
All a bit difficult to explain.

Once the car is registered, usually you need to hand in cerificates for additional equipment/parts and enter them in the registration papers (like a suspension). Those papers are often very expensive to make as technical data, inspection, some stress tests atc are needed.
hence this is usually only done for cars seen often or commercially of interest for companies to regaint that cost.

Simply putting in the GAZ dampers and paint them black might not be enough or a risky gamble I'd rather not like to play :)

Wih SPAX I could argue that they where producing that kind of equipment back then.

I guess painting them black, using a tube over the coil-thread and just trying it might work as well... But is very risky.... hence looking for a buddy who had them registered already which of course greatly helps :)


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Post by Pepe » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:17 pm

philhoward wrote:
Tue Jul 16, 2019 2:08 pm
Gaz didn’t exist within the 10 years after 5a (or even Scimitar) production..

Marco over in Saarland purchased a set of Gaz (I brought them over for him when I was working near) but I don’t know if he got them fitted - or even if they were adjustable seat types or “direct replacement”?
Marco had an SE6 right? Hasn't he sold? He is stroke through in the German Scimitar Register that Alexander is maintaining...


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Post by philhoward » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:21 pm

No idea Christian - I haven’t spoken to him in a long time but yes, it is an SE6a.


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Post by scimjim » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:23 pm

Dozens of scimitars have been registered in Germany, what has changed recently?


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Post by philhoward » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:33 pm

Daft question - Spax are TUV certified (according to their website) so if you buy from them, ask for a copy of the certification?

Gaz also claim TUV certification - or is the issue simply because you’re fitting non-standard parts you have to pay extra to retain the Historic (cheap) registration? In that case I’m afraid it’s either cheat (like many do) or pay up (as the others do).


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