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Post by gtcse8 » Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:34 pm

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drcdb15 wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:37 pm
Truly parts procurement in these cars never ceases to amaze me
True :lol:

But in their heyday they were the countries Second largest car manufacturer.
Some of the parts I have handled in the 40 years I have had Reliants is mind boggling.

A lot of the changes over the years, especially on the MB were forced upon them by parts manufacturers closing down.
MB bought most of their parts direct from Reliant as SE6b spec then had to alter them to fit, point in question is the spare wheel mount plate.
They had to move it to get the Injection air filter into the engine bay, so they chopped bits off/added bits on/drilled different holes, then just brushed over the changes instead of repainting them correctly, thereby allowing them to corrode alarmingly due to Galvanic reaction.
The rear anti-roll bar mountings were just mild steel fabs welded to the Galvanised chassis too. :w
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:37 pm
let's use the bits off the Riley Elf instead
The Petrol cap originally came from Sunbeam Rapier Alpine and was manufactured by C and S of Brumingham


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Post by scimjim » Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:33 pm

Wasn’t the rear ARB just the kit Don Pither designed and produced for the 6 series?


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Post by peter freeman » Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:45 pm

Very similar but I think Don's kit was completely removable - the MB has the bits welded on



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Post by scimjim » Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:53 pm

drcdb15 wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:37 pm
Truly parts procurement in these cars never ceases to amaze me...
nowadays they go to great lengths (and expense) to disguise that fact that it’s the same car underneath, or at least a shared floorpan.

Jaguar XE, XF, F-Pace or RR Velar? RR, RR Sport or Disco (and all of those are the same basic floorpan slightly modified and shared with the i-pace and new Defender).

MX5 or Fiat 124 Spider?

VW Sharan, Ford Galaxy or Fiat Alhambra?

The list is endless.


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Post by TrevorG » Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:13 pm

Ere, don't bring riley eff into this! I've owned five of the blighters and loved every one. Even pissed a policeman off with one, which we all know counts as ten plus points. Got stopped in oxford many years ago at Christmas after taking the kids to a panto. It went like this....
PM ' ere son'
Me 'sorry ocifer, I thought I knew my dad'
PM 'you trying to be funny? And yer rear lights not working'
I goes and kicks offending light and it comes back on
Me 'there ocifer all sorted'
PM I've just put this mini on the database and it says it's a riley....that's another offence'
Me 'the only offence is calling elfie a mini'
PM 'you avin a larf'
Me 'hmmmmmmm'
PM 'piss orf'



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Post by gtcse8 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:52 am

scimjim wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 8:33 pm
Wasn’t the rear ARB just the kit Don Pither designed and produced for the 6 series?
Very similar Jim.
IIRC the early DIY kit was a bolt on job. :?:

But MB kit is mild steel and welded on to the rear of the Reliant supplied, hot dip galve chassis, the MB`s I have worked on all show corrosion/rusting of these parts.
I go through tins of Zinc rich primer on the galvy stuff I reman, it may not be up to true hot dip galvanising but It`s better than just rattle can painting in matt black. :roll:


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Post by Dennis Nicholas » Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:13 pm

I have a brand new PAS from a MK 11 Renault Espace.....car long since gone to breakers..........now I wonder.....must get tape measure out


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Post by drcdb15 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:09 pm

gtcse8 wrote:
Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:52 am
But MB kit is mild steel and welded on to the rear of the Reliant supplied, hot dip galve chassis, the MB`s I have worked on all show corrosion/rusting of these parts.
I go through tins of Zinc rich primer on the galvy stuff I reman, it may not be up to true hot dip galvanising but It`s better than just rattle can painting in matt black. :roll:
Mark, as I have to tackle this very issue on MB61, I'd appreciate a recommendation for any particular primer you think works well - or is it a case of any one will do the job?

And would you recommend an aerosol for getting in the nooks and crannies, or a brush to get a thicker application? Or again, is it 6 and two threes?

I wondered about this, given the relatively small area I need to address: https://www.toolstation.com/cold-galvan ... gLV3PD_BwE

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Post by gtcse8 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:17 pm

That should work ok Chris

The tins I use come with Two nozzles, One with a short "Straw" for getting into nooks and crannies :oops:
And a standard fan nozzle for normal painting.
The one I use most of is very high zinc content, 95% iirc.


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Post by Laters » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:28 pm

gtcse8 wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:17 pm

The tins I use come with Two nozzles, One with a short "Straw" for getting into nooks and crannies :oops:
And a standard fan nozzle for normal painting.
The one I use most of is very high zinc content, 95% iirc.
Mark do you have a particular brand/type that you have used and recommend?

I tried some ZG90 on a previous project & had very poor results. I got the ZG90 from the local screwfix as the choice was limited locally.


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Post by gtcse8 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:53 pm

Not near them till Sat lunch, will report back later. :wink:


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Post by drcdb15 » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:38 pm

gtcse8 wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:17 pm
That should work ok Chris

The tins I use come with Two nozzles, One with a short "Straw" for getting into nooks and crannies :oops:
And a standard fan nozzle for normal painting.
The one I use most of is very high zinc content, 95% iirc.
Cheers Mark.

From the MSDS the zinc content is only 10-30%, but the major other components are a blend of 6 organic solvents, all volatile ultimately, so I'm assuming when they've all evaporated that it will be mainly zinc that's left, fine powder held by a resin binder unspecified but presumably below 5% of the original mix so much less than 14% of the final coating, leaving at least 86% zinc. The chassis's taken 30 years to get to its present state so this should do for another decade or so at least.


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Post by Dennis Nicholas » Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:13 am

If only someone in UK would stock the KBS COATINGS range. I have used their rust prevention paint and found it very good......hammered it and no marks, bend metal and no cracking etc.
Now the supply has dried up as the Devon lady that used to do it has given up and her husband is too busy doing VW campervan restorations. It is far more advanced than the POR 15 (that it started out as a similar product). Now B..xit is at last settled perhaps a trade deal with USA will cut the import duty and make it more attractive for stockists??


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Post by gtcse8 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:20 pm

Laters wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:28 pm
I tried some ZG90 on a previous project & had very poor results.
That`s what I have settled upon using without any problems :w

Decent coverage and if the weld is thoroughly cleaned I have never had issues with it peeling or flaking :w


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Post by Laters » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:29 pm

Thanks Mark.
The ZG90 I got from screwfix was brush on.
Its all they had at the time. Everything was spotlessly clean but the brush on ZG90 I used chipped easily and didn't seem to work as well as it should.
Seen a few people mention it online saying how good it is.
Maybe I should get some of the spray and give it another go.


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