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Post by Dennis Nicholas » Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:27 pm

I see Rimmer Bros. are still on their Rover SD1 sales....now could be a good time to buy in your spare electric window winders. I have already got my spares!

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Post by drcdb15 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:14 pm

I presume these fit the GTC - but do they fit other Scimitar models, and which specific SD1 part - Rimmer list about half a dozen, not all of which are still available, (and they seem to list some items twice... ???) Is it the front LH and RH that we would want?

If it's the BLP 1068 and 1069, the RH BLP1068 is already sold out according to their web site a few minutes ago.

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Post by philhoward » Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:45 pm

I think the rear one can be used on a 6-series (including GTC and MB) - that’s something I recall from talk many years ago when you could still find one in a scrapyard and before Rimmers brought all those bits back from India.

Having never owned a 6-series car I can’t be sure myself. I’ll let others confirm or deny!


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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:21 pm

it was advocated by some to fit the electric motor from the rear of a scrap car as it would not have the wear of a front window motor. The complete assemblies from the rear do not fit just the motor. The front sdi window assemblies fit both the 6's and the gtc.

Rimmer may list them but they had run out of stock (can't remember which side) when a neighbour tried 12 months ago....... The dealers bought a load a few years back but they are more expensive.


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Post by drcdb15 » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:31 pm

I've just trawled through the MESS site to see if there's anything of note, but nothing.

Edit: from what I can see the numbers qutoed by Rimmer are the Rover OE numbers, ie
BLP 1069 regulator incl motor LH (Rimmer 139 in stock as at 12 December 2019)
BLP 1068 ditto RH (Damen & Kroes Boxtel BV, Netherlands 7 in stock Dec 2019)
DRC 2927 motor only RH (D&KB 5 in stock)
DRC 2928 motor only LH (DK&B 2 in stock)

Apart from a few used bits on eBay, mainly from Germany for some reason, these seem to be the only suppliers at present, but I presume GW/QRG can also supply.
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Post by peter freeman » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:33 pm

The motors are the same and also fit the SS1 range of cars - the complete assy from the SD1 fronts fit into the 6's complete



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Post by erikscimitardemon » Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:03 am

If anyone needs a set: I have a few used ones in working order for sale.


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Post by drcdb15 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:07 pm

erikscimitardemon wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:03 am
If anyone needs a set: I have a few used ones in working order for sale.
Erik,
can you tell from your stock who was the original manufacturer, and any other cars they were used on? I cannot believe they were specially made for the Rover SD1 and no other vehicle!

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Post by drcdb15 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:10 pm

drcdb15 wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:07 pm
erikscimitardemon wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 9:03 am
If anyone needs a set: I have a few used ones in working order for sale.
Erik,
can you tell from your stock who was the original manufacturer, and any other cars they were used on? I cannot believe they were specially made for the Rover SD1 and no other vehicle!
(and also what price you want for a set of LH + RH!)

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Post by philhoward » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:50 pm

The motor is probably Smiths or Lucas and shared with something else (which may be a lot rarer than the Scimitar nowadays) although it is likely the mechanism was specifically for the SD1.


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Post by Geraint SabreGTCse5 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:07 pm

I also have several secondhand units I could sell on, two types of motors were fitted, my early ones have no makings. I have two new later motors I bought from rimmers years ago. They have CIM stamped on their side. They also have a label with the following on "Rockwell Automotive made in England 2/15612" (and the date on mine is September 1986) the main dealers scimitar dealers have these assemblies. The new motors come in Austin Rover boxes.


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Post by drcdb15 » Tue Dec 17, 2019 11:33 pm

Geraint SabreGTCse5 wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:07 pm
They also have a label with the following on "Rockwell Automotive made in England 2/15612" (and the date on mine is September 1986)
This information leads me to find a suggestion they were also used on some TVRs, but perhaps also used by Mercedes, which would explain why the ones on eBay are largely from Germany.

Also a mention of VW/Audi, which ties in with a comment by Mick Gaughran on the MESS site that 'lots of MB leccy bits come from VAG'. https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/top ... =5&t=10840

As far as I can find out so far, "CIM" although generally used generically in the robotics sector for a brushless permanent magnet type of DC motor which has high tolerance to full load burn-out (hence ideal for window winders reaching full travel with the finger still on the button!) actually originates from one of the original makers of such motors, CCL Industrial Motors Limited, which in turn was and still is part of Chiaphua. Full history on Wikipedia here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiaphua_Components_Group though I'm not sure the dates tie up for these motors to have been used in early Scimitars. It could be that the CIM marked on the motors you folks have merely designates them as that type of motor, as opposed to having been made by Chiaphua.

CIM now call themselves (or did in 2016) CCL: http://www.ccl-solution.com/web/en/ but they are as always OEM contractors for bespoke automotive electric motors, nowadays it seems focusing on electric wheel motors for electric cars. So when your new electric car won't run, just whip out the old Scim electric window winder....

So, I am guessing CIM made motors for Rockwell, who put them in the 'whole regulator' assembly and shipped this off to Lucas (or whoever), who then shipped them off to Rover in a Rover box with a Rover part number on.

Not that any of that helps us much in finding a volume source of spare parts :roll:


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Post by Terry Rickard » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:46 am

The Rover SD1 rear electric window winder assembly units do fit the SE6-series, GTC and I believe Middlebridge IF the right-angled link plate piece is transferred from old unit to new rear unit.
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Post by philhoward » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:49 am

Terry Rickard wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:46 am
Ask me how I know...
How do you know Terry? :mrgreen:


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Post by Terry Rickard » Wed Dec 18, 2019 10:59 am

Glad you asked Phil ...and they work great!



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