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Post by V6pushfit » Tue May 28, 2019 4:54 pm

I bloody hope so Jim

I'll test the system I have a nagging thing thats says:

1. It may be ballasted
2. So its got the wrong coil
3. And the wires on the dash switch have been put on round the wrong way so its doing 9V to start and 12V running rather than the other way round

The nightmare for me is to check this its dash out and thats half a days work alone...

Alternatively:

1. Its a nadgered coil or ign module

In which case I do cartwheels down the road and whip myself naked with birch twigs in the local park...


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Post by hezekiel » Tue May 28, 2019 5:30 pm

V6pushfit wrote:
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whip myself naked with birch twigs in the local park...
We do that all the time, except usually in a Sauna :lol:


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Post by rebel alliance » Tue May 28, 2019 5:53 pm

So whats the voltage on the positive feed wire to the coil ?



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Post by Oldconn » Tue May 28, 2019 6:15 pm

Beaten by Rebel Aliance- I was going ton remark there's no need to strip the dashboard, just measure the voltage coming into the coil, both in the "run" position and in the "start" position (on the key). I don't see how the ign key wiring has anything to do with it, just trace the ballast wire (if it has one) or locate the ballast resistor( if it has one). You won't overheat a 12V coil by running it on 9V.


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Post by scimjim » Tue May 28, 2019 6:20 pm

This isn’t on a Scimitar.

You will overheat a 9v coil running it on 12v.


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Post by V6pushfit » Wed May 29, 2019 8:50 am

Good thinking - it’s 12v on ignition and start, so unballasted system. That’s with the starter disconnected.

I’m going to replace coil/leads/module so just ordering parts. I can’t change to points easily but the next stage if this doesn’t work will be to change the trigger for lobes in situ and fit points.

Does anyone know exactly which Bosch distributor fits? I don’t mean aftermarket unbranded stuff there’s loads of them it seems!

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Post by scimjim » Wed May 29, 2019 9:17 am

There’s only one Essex Bosch dizzy AFAIK - the drive is totally different to the 2.8.

Can’t see one listed on Burtons site


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Post by scimjim » Wed May 29, 2019 9:29 am

I had a similar strange issue on 8 ball last year - after being recovered from Brighton it turned out to be the dizzy cap! Still don’t know what was actually wrong with it but I changed it and drove to Le Mans the next weekend and it’s been fine since. I found it by putting a strobe on each plug lead and could see a random loss of spark to several plugs.


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Post by V6pushfit » Wed May 29, 2019 9:44 am

I must say Powerspark are extremely good. They reckon Ive had the wrong coil on and that may have made a difference. Anyway I'll update at the weekend once I've got it fitted.....

The advance on the Fomoco is 16, which suits the car well - and the old scim spare dizzys were 11.5 and 14 so another reason to at least try to stick with the one I've got

If anyone needs any Fomoco spares off the two old dizzys they are in bits so be pleased to help anyone out....


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Post by rebel alliance » Wed May 29, 2019 9:59 am

I could use the vacuum units as mine seems to be leaking.If you could give me a price and postage please



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Post by V6pushfit » Wed May 29, 2019 8:03 pm

rebel alliance wrote:
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I could use the vacuum units as mine seems to be leaking.If you could give me a price and postage please
I’ll let you know after the weekend just to be sure I won’t need anything myself because the car will be running like a dream and I won’t have needed recovery again, and I’ll have stocked up on birch twigs.


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Post by AJL Electronics » Thu May 30, 2019 5:22 pm

Another car in today with cooling system issues. Immediately spotted the red coolant* and then ran the engine up to temperature when it forced out its coolant into the overflow bottle. It was a steady fill and not a sudden explosion of steam. The reason for that was the fitment of the wrong cap, it touched the seal but didn't need any pressure against the spring to tighten it. So as soon as the engine heated the coolant, the pressure leaked straight out rather than bulding in the system as it should.

* Please don't use red or anything other than conventional blue coolant. It eats copper, brass and solder and over a period will damage the heater matrix and radiator as a minimum.


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Post by V6pushfit » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:36 pm

Does the cologne distributor fit the Essex? Not really on topic but relevant to the ‘dizzy’ direction I’m going with it.


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Post by V6pushfit » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:47 pm

Update: module fitted and new Viper VCE coil fitted..... starts but ran like a dog and wouldnt idle at all. Checked for 2 bad plug leads (had to be more than one by the bad running) but all ok. Double checked everything but all ok. Triple che... you get the idea.
Put on the old (supposedly knackered and not the coil for the module) DLB105 coil and bingo ran ok and idled at 600.
Hmmmm
Spoke to Powerspark and they can’t figure it out. They’re sending a replacement coil to try in case it’s a bad one.
I’m becoming more tempted to take the dizzy off, take off the trigger wheel and put a lobe top on with points. Then I have the option for a more standard module. Here it is now with the trigger wheel pressed on:
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However I have a fear: if the pencil shaft drops on dizzy removal I’m well and truly knackered. What are the chances?


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Post by scimjim » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:09 pm

V6pushfit wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:36 pm
Does the cologne distributor fit the Essex? Not really on topic but relevant to the ‘dizzy’ direction I’m going with it.
no, totally different driveshaft and gear.


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