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Post by philhoward » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:56 pm

Must be speed through the corners which is suspension related? Some of it must also be down to wheelbase/track ratio as well - the Small Sport has a quicker turn in and smaller turning circle too.


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Post by Benc » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:01 pm

Buy a small sports Brian I know you like cheese. Make sure it’s not got one of them ford engines though :w



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Post by philhoward » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:01 pm

Borrow Charlie’s... :w


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Post by philhoward » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:02 pm

Benc wrote:
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Buy a small sports Brian I know you like cheese. Make sure it’s not got one of them ford engines though :w
:lol: :mrgreen:
You got beaten by a Ford engine yesterday...


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Post by CNHSS1 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:14 pm

Benc wrote:
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Ben was going well, but his car looked evil to drive :shock: , he was fighting it all the way 8)
More work on the suspension needed
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Seems very over damped, the car has little movement until the damping overcome and then snaps. Not sure on what spring rates you have, but I'm guessing that the dampers needs to be approx 1/2 to 2/3ds of their adjustment range.

I watched you coming out of farmhouse, the 180 LH sweeper up the hill, car snapped once the weight transferred across to loaded outer front wheel. I'm guessing that the car is falling onto the dump stops momentarily and the wheel spring rate is going vertical, and/or its lifting the inside rear wheel (only one rear on the deck!) Causing the snap oversteer.
At rest on a flat piece of tarmac I'd wind the car on lock and peer at the lower wishbone, I'll wager the bump stop is near to touching the spring pan. If so, take a hacksaw and cut the bumsptop in half at its waist (looks like an 8 origianlly). This should stop the massive wheel spring rate change.
Wind a little preloaded onto front ARB outer links, should be about 10mm of three showing, tightens the front bar a little, not detrimental affects
Soften front and rear dampers off a little, and try again. May feel softer but should be more balanced and easier to drive at the limit (where else 8) )

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Post by Benc » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:25 pm

philhoward wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:02 pm
Benc wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:01 pm
Buy a small sports Brian I know you like cheese. Make sure it’s not got one of them ford engines though :w
:lol: :mrgreen:
You got beaten by a Ford engine yesterday...
did you not see the worms Phil?



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Post by philhoward » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:31 pm

Yep :mrgreen:


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Post by reliant-reviver » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:57 pm

I hear your frustrations flatcap, but I'd say north of 20 pts IS competitive. I don't think you've placed unfairly. I suppose the question is do you think your car could be put round the track faster in someone else's hands? I was always happy with where I placed in the 1300 as I don't think I've ever come back from a run and said "that run was perfect in every way"

Contrary to the small sports jibes from the jockeys of the pointy stable, I have to say I'd actually love to convert to the "wheat side" and get out competing in a stock bread-van some day :D

Oh yes and good going chaps! Was sorely tempted to pop up yesterday to say hello but it just didn't happen sadly.


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Post by philhoward » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:04 pm

We’re up there again later in the year - have plenty of passes between us to go round.


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Post by reliant-reviver » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:09 pm

Yeah hoping to be up there for the next one. Hour from my door.


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Post by philhoward » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:09 pm

Having seen the competition in CM and within the SSSC, I’m going to class myself as happy with 20 points plus each time out. As an observer for many years, I’ve realised I’m not going to be a front runner - I’m doing it for fun and have a perfect battle double driving with Andy. You beat me yesterday, BC - so the rematch is on for August!


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Post by Corky » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:12 pm

b.c.flat hat wrote:
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I must say I'm a little surprised at the points awarded, I'm drivin' the wheels orf my car, PB after three years out of sprinting and yet the heritage cars are still miles off the small sports. I'm not going the big bucks Rick Wood horses down the power route nor hacking the bodywork to within an inch of being transparent. I'm sticking with 1a tyres, 1120kgs and 142 hp so what the heck makes a true "road going series production" so uncompetitive?
I feel exactly the same way against some of the CM cars. There is no way on earth you'd be able to take a stock SS1 Ti and put it up against the best CM entered stock modern sports car and win on a pure power/weight handicap. The Reliants that do best against the moderns have been highly modified, but none of those have topped the table yet, and I don't believe that is just down to driver talent, it's down to development and physics !

There are some oldies that are more competitive against the moderns than the Reliants, but ultimately the multi-billion pound development budgets of Porsche/Honda/Mazda are going to produce a much better chassis than Reliant did with the Monday afternoon takings from a busker in Tamworth town centre.

Taking this back to Reliant, the chassis of a GTE is unlikely to be a match for that of an SS1 on the race track (considering the eras that they were developed, and the fact that the SS1 has IRS). You can bolt bits on, lighten them, tune the engine, play with the springs/dampers/bushes/ARBs etc. and make a winning car, but if both cars were fresh out of the factory the SS1 will be a quicker car round the track on a power/weight handicap system in the hands of the same driver.

If the weather is good at Aintree at the end of the month, I'm hoping I can prove my point as I'm going to use my Honda S2000 (which has pretty much the same handicap as my SS1 Ti). The test will be what comes out of the spreadsheet compared to all the times I've raced there before in the SS1 DET and Sabre Ti. I could of course prove sod all and be talking complete ballcocks :lol:


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Post by swoakes » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:49 pm

Corky wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:12 pm
I could of course prove sod all and be talking complete ballcocks :lol:
Normally yes Corky :mrgreen: but on this occasion I think your spot on and agree...just prove it now :wink:


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Post by Nick » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:09 pm

A modern with 6 plus gears, instant changes and vvt will have an advantage over an older car without this. Modern diffs and electronics also widen the gap.Chassis mods brakes and tyres may get you close on grip with a good set up. With my old coupe, which has a decent setup I would reckon to be at least a couple of points off what I could do in the ss1. The mr2 totally standard is somewhere between them.

S2000 or supercharged mx5 are the value way to go if you want to win,but do not underestimate the work guys have done on these cars


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Post by Corky » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:18 pm

Nick wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:09 pm
S2000 or supercharged mx5 are the value way to go if you want to win,but do not underestimate the work guys have done on these cars
Absolutely, some of those cars have some very clever mods. Though one or two of the moderns are completely stock.


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