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Post by philipmasonfrance » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:55 pm

Chris, I picked up a load of exhaust rubbers from Ebay years ago. Don't know why, but it seems the (wait for it) Allegro rubber is perfect. Shall I stick a few in the post?



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Post by DARK STAR » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:14 pm

That's kind Phil.
Not sure about having Allegro parts on the car but if it's free ... 8)


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Post by Roger Pennington » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:53 pm

The Allegro rubbers have been recommended a number of times in the past on here, as being a more durable aliternative to the standard ones, as they have a more "solid" shape and normally look like this: (image from the web) See here on fleabay

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Post by philipmasonfrance » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:05 am

They're the ones, Roger! I got fed up with replacing the rubber hangers almost every year, so tried these. Still on the first set 4 or 5 years later. PM me your address, Chris - and yes, no charge!!



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Post by DARK STAR » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:31 am

Thanks Phil, will do :D


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Post by DARK STAR » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:30 pm

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Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:15 am
So how have the garage managed to hike up one side and not attach the other
Today I bought some gun gum and plucked up courage to re-seal the exhaust manifolds.
Surveying the work site I found the answer to my question -
Some idiot (as in the garage at Lyon, because it wasn't like that before) has jacked up the car on the exhaust system.
On the right (which was not attached :roll: ) the pipe is perfectly straight coming from the two-into-one connection.
On the left it kicks up and jams the front box against the floor.
There is no way this can be corrected and seems to me rather dangerous - red-hot fibreglass resin is not ideal.
So I suppose I'd better invest in a sheet of serious heat-shield material from Demon Tweeks and force it in over the silencer box.

Anyway, removing the manifold on the other side was no more :evil: than expected.
What was unexpected was finding THREE different head sizes on the (same thread!) nuts and bolts - 15, 16 and 17 mm.
The smaller size is great for clearing the big-bore exhaust pipes, only I have no 15 mm spanner 8)
The upper nuts/bolts are easy with a long extension on the socket wrench but the lower ones are behind the pipes and impossible without an open-ended spanner.
Even then one is working half a flat at a time.
So several hours work to do very little, and even more irritating because I already had to do the job when I bought the car.

Tomorrow we'll see if it works ...

PS See if you can guess which gasket was leaking, and in the second photo spot the not-so-deliberate mistake - think which direction the manifold has to move to come off :wink:
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Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:37 pm

I hope that is assembly paste and not repair paste Chris? There is an important difference.

Extender arrived yesterday and is fitted, thanks kindly.


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Post by DARK STAR » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:45 pm

I hope so too, but the french are not very technical.
It is quite liquid in a tube, has instructions for use in assembly and it is rated to 1000º ...

I even had to order the electric glue abroad, no-one has ever heard of it round here.


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Post by gtcse8 » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:37 pm

Bloody hell Chris bet you wish you were back in Yorkshire with all the Industrial Revolution Inventiveness and knowledge here Ha Ha.

It`s p*ssin it down here now 11.40pm.

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Post by DARK STAR » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:40 pm

Rain (lack of) is a sore point round here :mrgreen:
I'm not complaining while Dark Star is stuck in the garden.

Tried the newly-fixed exhaust, the engine note has changed from tractor to pussy cat.
Tappets are noisy but I haven't the patience to do them again.

Looked up the price of heat-shield material, only about 100 euros more than I expected :pc
So, plan B is to loosen the engine mounts and jack the engine up on the right, thus lowering it on the left.
Is that practical?


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Post by Roger Pennington » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:03 pm

DARK STAR wrote:
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So, plan B is to loosen the engine mounts and jack the engine up on the right, thus lowering it on the left.
Is that practical?
I've done that with an Essex, and it worked. Not a huge difference of alignment, just enough to stop the exhaust touching on one side :)


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Post by DARK STAR » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:10 pm

The wire glue arrived, I stuck the resistance back in place and reassembled everything.
The choke still doesn't work.

In an attempt to understand I took everything to bits again.
On the mechanical side I see that the cold idle adjuster does not work on a cam but on a step, which is removed by the bi-metallic coil when it turns.
The coil also turns the choke butterfly spindles.

The electrical side is impossible to decipher.
The electric choke heater which activates the coil works almost instantly to open the choke butterflies (close the choke).
Which is not good, and is evidently because one of the heater resistances receives 12v direct from the alternator connection :?: :!:
The other heats up gradually from the sender on the engine, this is logical.
Why are there two resistances, Webers only have one (presumably of the second type).
And why are they fed permanently even when the ignition is off, this can't be right?
(This could also be the reason my battery goes flat overnight if not disconnected :roll: )

My next step will be to put insulation tape on the permanent contact and see if I can adjust everything to work with ONE variable choke heater 8)
Stay tuned ...

PS I note also that the two +ve feeds (permanent and variable) can be reversed on the plug/socket, but I don't see that this would make any difference, they are both glued to the body of the coil heater.


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Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:14 pm

You could just go for a 38DGAS and be done with it?


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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:16 pm

That's what most people do when the Pierburg goes wrong. It shouldn't be fed constant voltage. The alternator supply should close the choke butterflies when you start, the coolant sensor should open them slowly as it warms up.


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Post by DARK STAR » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:02 pm

The bi-metallic coil closes the butterflies when it is cold.
Both heating elements are glued to the body of the coil heater so have exactly the same effect, opening the butterflies.
To what should the alternator permanent supply be connected?
All looks original in my choke, I wonder if there's anything missing that might explain this anomalie.


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