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A car is only as good as the driver

Post by Darren C » Sun May 11, 2014 6:29 pm

I was at a car show last Sunday and a Chap walked by saying, “These cars drive like Sh*t.”
I immediately stopped him and asked if he’d ever owned one…..”No”
“So have you ever driven one?”
“No, I don’t need too they’re sh*t.”
“Sorry, I didn’t realise you were an expert” I said as he walked off.

This got me thinking.

Some times it’s as much about the car as it is the drivers skill, that makes a good drive.
Do any of you remember Tony Pond?
He drove a “stock” (apart from a roll cage and slick tyres) Rover 827 Vitesse in 1990 around the TT circuit to achieve an average 102mph. Not a car you’d associate with performance or handling.

So next time you walk past a non descript car and think to yourself, these are sh*t, it may just be your driving!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NEskpWsMkI

It took 30 years for this record to be broken (by only 2mph average faster lap) in a Subaru Impezza, and watching the video, I’d feel safer in the Rover…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOXPhvREs1k

Particularly when this happened

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jSYiU-JdRw


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by CNHSS1 » Sun May 11, 2014 7:04 pm

Pond was brilliant BUT the Rover was a little bent... seam welded with an LSD and more poke than stock alledgedly


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by Darren C » Sun May 11, 2014 7:12 pm

But still a 1990 family saloon :wink:

It was 20 years, not 30, and the Subaru is a completely different beast, yet it only averaged 2mph more. That's got to say loads about Tony's skill.


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Post by Smiler » Sun May 11, 2014 7:25 pm

The Rover looks a lot smoother than the Imprezza, or is that just 20 years of new pot-holes?


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by DarrylWebb » Sun May 11, 2014 7:29 pm

Yeah, you get all sorts of armchair experts, often at car shows.

Somehow the Tony Pond video seems all the more impressive for the lack of editing and rave music.


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by Darren C » Sun May 11, 2014 7:42 pm

Smiler wrote:The Rover looks a lot smoother than the Imprezza, or is that just 20 years of new pot-holes?
:D

I thought the Rover handled far better too. Which is amazing comparing the basic Rover suspension, with the technology in the Subaru.

(for the record I'm not a Rover fan at all, just like the V8's put into other stuff)

I doubt its pot holes, the bikers wouldn't stand for that. It's got to be the car & driver.


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by CNHSS1 » Sun May 11, 2014 7:59 pm

The Rover was built by TWR iirc for the attempt, and Tom Walkinshaw was renowned for pushing the rules and hiding mods in their ETCC cars (read up on stories of chopped and sectioned XJSs, Rover SD1s and of course subsequently with Bennetton F1& Schumacher with banned traction control etc etc)

Mark Higgins is pretty much a modern version of Pond imho, hugely talented but not rated as highly as his talent deserves


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by scimjim » Sun May 11, 2014 8:23 pm

"A car is only as good as the driver"?

On the track perhaps - but definitely not true in everyday life. Most of the idiots on the roads today (and millions of potential victims) are only alive today, thanks to the safety equipment in modern cars! The cars are far, far better than the drivers. :-)


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by CNHSS1 » Sun May 11, 2014 8:24 pm

Same in F1 goes for that muppet Maldanardo...


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by scimjim » Sun May 11, 2014 8:31 pm

:mrgreen:


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by badger » Sun May 11, 2014 9:37 pm

An 827 Vitesse/Sterling was better car than any of its contemporaries by miles, not only does it completely outclass an E class in terms of ride quality and gadgets they are faster than most BMWs of the day too - just like the Monty Turbo had been a few years earlier.

I suspect Pond would have been a lot quicker had he been driving the later lightweight 820 Vitese Sport with it's improved steering, suspension, big brakes, LSD and stiffer chassis. My Sport runs a few lbs extra boost on the turbo and now has Mahle pistons after I broke the standard ones trying to set a new land speed record but is otherwise completely standard - other than those ugly wheels.

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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by scimjim » Sun May 11, 2014 10:34 pm

Faster than most BMWs of the day :shock:

Now I don't mind Rovers and the Montego Turbo was a phenomenal car (although build quality and longevity were poor) but the 827 Vitesse was top of the range - direct competitor to the M5 - which absolutely annihilates the Rover on performance!!!!


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by Scimher » Mon May 12, 2014 12:00 am

The MG Maestro Turbo was quicker than the MG Montego Turbo, wasn't it? Blew away contemporaries like the early Golf GTI etc................



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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by badger » Mon May 12, 2014 12:41 pm

scimjim wrote:Faster than most BMWs of the day :shock:

Now I don't mind Rovers and the Montego Turbo was a phenomenal car (although build quality and longevity were poor) but the 827 Vitesse was top of the range - direct competitor to the M5 - which absolutely annihilates the Rover on performance!!!!
Top of the range was the 827 Coupe rather the 827 Vitesse, neither of them were seen as a competitor to the M5 in any Rover PIB's I have ever read but the pre 1996 820 Vitesse Sport was cited as being a competitor to the E30 M3. If you make the simple mods I've made to mine the engine can deliver up to 350bhp and outrageous amounts of torque without any serious problems and can destroy an E36 M3 because it is so light for its size - 1395Kg.

Here's one modded like mine eating the faster E46 M3 for breakfast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEZk4jo6uog


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Re: A car is only as good as the driver

Post by scimjim » Mon May 12, 2014 4:27 pm

Okay - perhaps the M5 was a little unfair with the 3.5L against the Honda's Rover's 2.7L - so I'll rephrase it: the 2.3L BMW M3 annihilates the 827 (in any standard form) :-)

The Rover can't even keep up with the 325i :-)


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