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Post by BigBobPilot » Fri Feb 02, 2018 9:48 pm

Ah, General Circuit Racing Chat. Also Known as one of the sleepy hollows of Scimitarweb forum. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Time to wake it up, but slowly to start with: Shhh, wakey wakey.


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:22 pm

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Post by CNHSS1 » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:24 pm

Ssshhhh some of us are trying to sleep... :lol:


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Post by swoakes » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:03 pm

I'll start the chat off Ben :wink:

What series are you entering this year :?:

I looked at a mini enduro series BUT our fuel tank is not big enough to last the time of the event 2x 45 minute sessions :( (no refuelling allowed)


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Post by BigBobPilot » Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:25 pm

That's thrown me, I wasn't expecting any questions...

I'm going to be running in the CSCC Special Saloons & Modsports:

https://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/ ... -modsports

Possibly a couple of other series too, but I need to get the car up and running first.

I race my Marcos in the CSCC swinging 60's (I will continue to do so), where there are also Sabre 6's & SE5 / 5as too

https://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/swinging-sixties

Neither of those would be any good for your SS1 though, but I know people have inquired about running an SS1 in Future classics (70's & 80's cars):

https://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/future-classics

I think Paul Turnbull (Turbster); Chris Eades, Craig Hughes (CNHSS1)? have all enqured at some point. There was possibly a stumbling block about running the twin cam CA18DET though - but I don't have the detials.

The Future classic (& Swinging 60's) are of the mini enduro format but are 40 minute races with mandatory pit-stops. So refueling is an issue, but a bigger fuel tank could be easily fitted...

I'm also looking at The Northern Saloon & Sports Car Championship (NSSCC)

http://www.darlington-motor-club.org.uk ... eriesid=67

And also slightly more local to you, the CNC heads Championship:
http://www.barcnorthwestern.co.uk/champ ... /cnc-heads

Both of these are shorter races 20 mins, with multiple races in a weekend.


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Post by Ford » Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:51 pm

BigBobPilot wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:25 pm
I know people have inquired about running an SS1 in Future classics (70's & 80's cars):

https://www.classicsportscarclub.co.uk/future-classics

I think Paul Turnbull (Turbster); Chris Eades, Craig Hughes (CNHSS1)? have all enqured at some point. There was possibly a stumbling block about running the twin cam CA18DET though - but I don't have the detials.
Future Classics looks quite restricted
  • The original silhouette is to be retained from all angles
  • Original production aerodynamics
  • Original working headlights
  • Original engine (block and head) and gearbox as was available from the factory in that body shape in period, internals are free


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Post by BigBobPilot » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:17 pm

Which bit are you thinking is restrictive? There's a lot you can do within those regs. Most motor sport regs require keeping the original engine.


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Post by Ford » Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:58 pm

It wasn't a complaint, I think it's a good thing to have such restrictions in a series like this.
My point is that the regulations specifically don't allow an engine swap and any of the aerodynamic or bodywork changes done to a lot of the SS1 racing car builds. That would be a bit more than a stumbling block.


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Post by scimjim » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:07 pm

Ford wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 8:58 pm
My point is that the regulations specifically don't allow an engine swap and any of the aerodynamic or bodywork changes done to a lot of the SS1 racing car builds.
How many of the SS1 sprint cars have engine conversions and CNH aero noses?


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Post by turbster » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:15 pm

The answer regarding running a DET in Future Classics was no... At that point I stopped building my SS1 race car..

I’ve looked at the Northern Sports Championship for the Coupe; looks good but then I looked at the front runners lap times :lol:


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Post by Ford » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:16 pm

scimjim wrote:
Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:07 pm
Ford wrote:
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My point is that the regulations specifically don't allow an engine swap and any of the aerodynamic or bodywork changes done to a lot of the SS1 racing car builds.
How many of the SS1 sprint cars have engine conversions and CNH aero noses?
I've seen a few with DET engines. Some have quite a lot more than "original production aerodynamic", although I have no experience with how lenient they are with that or the "original silhouette is to be retained from all angles".


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Post by BigBobPilot » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:24 pm

I didn't think you were complaining, just wanting to understand which bits concerned you.

As ever, you need to choose where you want to run a car, then build it to those regs.

Engines normally need to be the original block. I hadn't looked at the Future Classics regs for a long time, I'm not sure when the original head requirement was added in. For hill climbing, we deemed the 16 valve & 8 valve blocks to be effectively the same, there is no head restriction in the speed regs.

Aerodynamically / body wise, most of the hillclimb cars would be ok, just wheel arch mods on a couple that may be an issue. The nose cones on Steve Oakes and Nick Keysers cars do meet silhouette requirements, as Craig Hughes made the mould off original panels, the depth of the chin may be in questio though. My car is too extreme, but I'm building it for a different series.


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Post by scimjim » Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:44 pm

I don’t believe Craig’s nose mod would meet original aero requirements or silhouette (Oakes and Keyser cars) and obviously the DET conversion (Oakes and Hughes cars) wouldn’t be legal - so 3 cars in the sprint discipline don’t meet the Future classics circuit regs (although those mods are easily reversible).


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Post by BigBobPilot » Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:12 pm

The only bit of the nose cone that doesn't meet the silhouette is the chin. Although getting the standard lights in would need some cutting. Equally, there aren't many around...

As you said Jim, the changes are simple, but also bear in mind that the cars mentioned above were all built for speed events.


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