Rally of the tests 8-11 November 2012

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Rally of the tests 8-11 November 2012

Post by jonamery » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:18 pm

http://www.classicrally.org.uk/rott2012/entry.html

Myself and my brother Stephen will be having another go at Rally of the Tests this November, looking to get to the end for the 3rd time!

We'll let you know how we get on!


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by Gemini Bob » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:21 pm

Good luck Jonathan, look forward to seeing how you get on :D


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:22 pm

Good luck, hope it all goes well! :D


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by chrisgallacher » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:27 pm

Best of luck Jonathan! I've never done the Rally of the Tests but I aim to before too long, maybe next year in my Sabre.

I've always thought the GTE would make a comfortable and ideal rally car. Out of interest, have you prepped your car yourself? We'll be keeping a look out for how you get on, and look forward to the reports and photos :D


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by jonamery » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:35 pm

It does seem a reasonable rally choice, although a little overlooked, I use a few local garages to prepare as mechanically inept.

I've always fancied a sabre! I was chatting to a chap at the 2010 rally called Arthur Senior, he told me he navigated a sabre in the Monte in the 60's and they hit a Wolf! Top bloke!


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by chrisgallacher » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:52 pm

I have no doubt the GTE is overlooked as a rally car - but I've never really understood why. If well-sorted it's inexpensive, reliable, powerful, rugged as you like with good sluggability, relatively easy to fix - and comfortable, too. Don't underestimate the last one, especially on a long event. Ask Andrew Collins how much comfort a Sabre Six offers come day 5 of a week-long rally :D

I've met Arthur Senior on a couple of rallies, and he always seems to remember Reliant's rallying exploits from the 1960s with affection.


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by jonamery » Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:56 pm

Well I hope there will be a couple of Reliants in next years rally!


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:00 pm

I notice the entry list includes, at no 22, Richard Prosser (in a Sunbeam Alpine). He's an old Scimitar and Sabre rally hand in the past.


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:09 pm

chrisgallacher wrote:I've met Arthur Senior on a couple of rallies, and he always seems to remember Reliant's rallying exploits from the 1960s with affection.
Quite surprising given the 70ft roll down the mountain in 649GUE :shock:


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by toomanysabres » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:09 pm

Wolf incident was Spa Sofia Liege in 1963 in 649GUE.
Monte was 1964 when the the same car burst a tyre and on a dry stretch of road, they rounded one of the many hairpin bends on the Col de Turini. On leaving the hairpin, the road swerved to the left. As the car entered the left hand bend, the front offside studded tyre burst and, despite Arthur's efforts, the car slid quite gently over the low cement kerb marking the edge of the road, tottering on the brink before rolling some 70 feet down the mountain slope, crashing to a terrifyingly abrupt halt on the road climbed minutes earlier. During the uncontrollable descent, the car rolled over four or five times.


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by chrisgallacher » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:12 pm

... but both crew escaped with cuts and bruises I think, and the resulting publicity regarding the inherent strength of the Sabre didn't do Reliant much harm?


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by jonamery » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:14 pm

May keep a look out for a rally Sabre for sale!


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:18 pm

The Sabre Six did leave the road on the Turini special stage as a result of a burst tyre, but to refer to "a cloud of glass fibre" is very unfair.

I am enclosing 2 photographs which show very clearly that the vehicle survived this tremendous crash very well indeed and proved, once again, the extreme toughness of properly moulded glass fibre.

Obviously, any car which rolls nearly 80 feet down a scree slope, and lands nose first on a road, can be expected to suffer a good deal of material damage. In this case, the Reliant withstood the terrible impact remarkably well, and Bobby Parkes and Arthur Senior walked away from the wreck with bruises.

There is no doubt that the crew of the Sabre Six owe their lives, in the main, to the construction of the coachwork. The body, incidentally, was virtually a normal production example.

I appreciate that in the rush of reporting international rallies inaccuracies can slip through, but I hope that after the study of the photographs, and bearing in mind Reliant's second to none experience of glass fibre construction, you will agree that your comment was a slight on Reliant and glass fibre manufacturers generally.

As a matter of interest, you may have already noticed that among many press comments praising the way in which Reliant stood up to the battering, were some remarks expressing horror at what might have happened to a steel bodied vehicle in similar circumstances.

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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by toomanysabres » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:23 pm

The engine was unscathed and went on to power HWD this info I got from Phil, Arthur's son.


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Re: Se5a in the rally of the tests

Post by toomanysabres » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:28 pm

Located in their seats by belts, and protected by a very substantial anti crash bar running from the chassis side members to form a hoop over the crew, the occupants were dazed and badly bruised when the car came to rest. Bobby sustained a pulled shoulder muscle, Arthur a cut nose. Their first concern was to try to drive the car to Monaco, 42 miles away. It was impossible. The front and rear suspension were damaged, and the chassis twisted.

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