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Post by philhoward » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:59 pm

The Contiboard Speed Challenge (wood and plastic - get it?)...

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Post by swoakes » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:22 pm

philhoward wrote:
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The Contiboard Speed Challenge (wood and plastic - get it?)...

I'll get my coat..
That makes sense now i've flicked back a page :lol:

So what are you planning to come out in Phil :?:


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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:43 pm

're CM it's not for them to get you to sign up, that's your job! The fact it's become more successful is hardly a stick to beat them with. Each year (certainly the last 20yrs of sssc I've been involved with!) there are those that talk the talk and never turn up, plus a good number where life got in the way and they can't compete either at all or only one or two events. Yes it does mean that newcomers to the sport will struggle to join the SSSC/CM, but all venues run their own local championships, and their are a load of regional championships in which to compete, the end is not nigh! You can all compete albeit not in CM if you weren't able to register in time.

And trying not to harp On, but we as the sssc compies have known this or a similar situation was coming for at least 8 months, that is enough time to prepare. Yes I'm sure there are those that are annoyed, but the anger is probably at their own lack of pace in getting signed up in reality rather than a fault on A N Other party. Phil H held his hands up to this one, commendable Phil


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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:10 pm

scimjim wrote:
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CM has been a victim of its own success. Clearly lots of competitors are attracted by the same qualities that attracted us. The numbers joining CM have almost doubled from 45 Last year to 85 this year capped. It was 9 only a few years ago. No one would have anticipated that.
Sorry Mikey, I disagree. There were a lot more than 45 people registered for CM last year (56 is one number I’ve seen on the CM fb site) so I DO think it should have been anticipated by Steve Cox and passed to us. There’s only 10 new Scimitar owners registered and 8 Morgans so along with the normal annual increases they’ve seen over the few years they’ve been going, the possibility of a cap should have been mentioned earlier IMO.
Jim given that Scims have declined year on year on track, I'm amazed how many have surfaced (registered, I'm sceptical we will see many out tbh). Steve cox hadn't mentioned a cap in my dealings but their club, their rules. We want to make/change/influence rules and calendar we need our own championship but we couldn't make that work and attract enough competitors. I don't see people making the effort to compete at Curborough as relevant, I mean those willing to compete around the country week in week out in a national championship.


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Post by MikeyBikey » Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:17 pm

I talked at length to Steve several times over the last couple of weeks and 45 was the number I recall. And I hadn't been drinking although I am pretty deaf. :roll:

He was genuinely concerned at the increase and the threat it may or may not have to the CM members getting into events, i.e. CM being capped. Over the last few weeks we did have a debate in the background re having SSSC having our own events in parallel to try to increase numbers and I approached all the events comps secs but this would have created more confusion amongst you guys. We thought the CM membership would abate and his thinking was to cap at 70-75. So I sent out an email to all compies and Peter posted here for you all to join asap. Obviously things didn't slow and he's now capped at 85.

This is just a hiccup. For those that are in CM and do sprint I'm sure will have a fantastic time. I did not join CM for the same reasons as RR. I will get a couple in this year somewhere.

We also have some queries to deal with regarding guys that did not get in. I am pursuing with Peter and wil let you know asap.


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Post by scimjim » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:24 pm

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I talked at length to Steve several times over the last couple of weeks and 45 was the number I recall. And I hadn't been drinking although I am pretty deaf. :roll:
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Post by scimjim » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:35 pm

2018 members list from CM Facebook page

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110 Paul Jaggard Alfa Romeo ??
79 Nigel Varney Alfa Romeo Giulia Coupe
86 Lloyd Jones Fiat Abarth
10 Phil Jones Fiat Abarth
45 Jonathan Plowe Fiat X1/9
99 John Brunner Ginetta G20
40 Rob Pallett Ginetta G20
20 Graham Beale Ginetta G33
46 Matthew Eady Ginetta G4
43 Roger Coote Ginetta G4
35 Stephen Casson Healey Sebring Sprite
62 Les Procter Healey Sprite
88 Martin Rowe Honda S2000
67 Phil Ludbrook Honda S2000
90 Roger Fish Honda S2000
14 Paul Slade Jaguar E Type
74 Matt Tobutt Lotus Elan +2
127 Gary Dawkins Lotus Exige
102 Steve Hill Lotus Lotus 7 Ser 2
104 Ben Everett Mazda MX5
115 Chris Harris Mazda MX5
21 Mark Everett Mazda MX5
69 Merv Brake Mazda MX5
120 Sandy Smith Mazda MX5
103 John Pollard Mazda MX5 - NC
89 Howard Barnard Mazda MX5 - Sup
100 Tom Barnard Mazda MX5 - Sup
117 John Wadsworth Mazda MX5 Mk 3
145 Kiron Phillips Mazda MX5 T
146 Zanesh Phillips Mazda MX5 T
51 Mike Cole MG B GT
30 Richard Withers MG B GT
38 Rob Orford MG B Roadster
52 Ian Beningfield MG Midget
121 Jamie Fisher-Pearson MG Midget
81 John Payne MG Midget
137 Clive Glass Morgan +8
132 Nick Bolton Morgan +8
125 Rob Toon Morgan +8
140 John Stephens Morgan 4/4
124 Simon Ashby Morgan 4/4
138 Paul Clarke Morgan Roadster
133 Simon Baines Morgan Roadster
139 George Proudfoot Morgan Series 1
91 Jonathan Cole Morris Mini
128 Nigel Watkins Porsche 911 (996)
142 Gordon Weston Porsche 924S
34 Brian Marshall Porsche 944 Turbo
136 Simon Smith Porsche Boxster
134 Peter Taylor Porsche Boxster S
85 Steve Lyle Porsche Boxster S
113 Gordon Pearce Porsche Cayman
73 Paul Turnbull Scimitar GT
144 Richard Carter Scimitar GT Coupe
143 James Carter Scimitar GTE
49 Stephen Oakes Scimitar S1
50 Steve Cork Scimitar S1
57 Craig Hughes Scimitar Sabre Turbo
135 Dave Greenhalgh Scimitar SE5
141 Andrew Mawbey Scimitar SS1
122 Ben Curry Scimitar SS1
131 Jim King Scimitar SS1
95 Josh Oakes Scimitar SS1
96 Nick Keyser Scimitar SS1
118 Peter Smith Scimitar SS1

71 Peter Owles Sunbeam Tiger
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119 Nick Hall Toyota MR2 T Bar
116 Robert Macgregor Triumph Dolomite Sprint
106 Tony Browne Triumph Dolomite Sprint
109 Bob Barnard Triumph TR4
107 Samantha Browne Triumph TR4
130 Dale Strachan Triumph TR6
8 Nick Smith Triumph TR6
39 Roderick Warner Triumph TR7 V8
126 Steve Small Triumph TR7 V8
37 Mark Harris TVR Cerbera 4.2
129 Richard Bream TVR Chimaera 450 Sup
19 Jes Firth TVR Griff 500
82 Alan Hugh Davies TVR Griffith 4.3
123 Dave Morris TVR Race Tuscan
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Post by scimjim » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:41 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
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Jim given that Scims have declined year on year on track, I'm amazed how many have surfaced (registered, I'm sceptical we will see many out tbh).
Really? 10-13 is about normal for registrations in SSSC isn’t it? I’ll have a 2p bet with you that more than 75% of those registered do more than one event this year :D


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Post by MikeyBikey » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:46 pm

jim, i wasn't questioning your view. Just explaining my understanding following conversations I'd had.

Anyways Peter and I are actively working out next steps. (just come off the phone from him)
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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:00 pm

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Scim owners all do curbs, most of them start their championship season there some 5 months af5er the season starts, and most manage another, maybe 2 but few manage 5 or 6 rounds, let alone the 7 minimum as required by the regs.

I feel jaded and let down by my time as compsec so I suggest I enjoy my time away and try not to get drawn into this thread too much other than to offer my full support to the two guys, Peter and Mike, that will be pushing this forward over the coming months and years. If we all supported them and did as we were asked, then their jobs would be a joy and not one akin to herding cats.
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Post by Corky » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:05 pm

Just catching up with this thread....

It looks like about three or four people have missed out. That's a real shame!

Though I'm taken aback by how many Scims are coming out this year, as last year we had a hard core of only five or six drivers. It'd be interesting to know if the move to CM has sparked more interest or is it just a coincidence ?

What's the score with the SSSC now? Have we lost all our invites? Do we still have an MSA license and does your RSSOC card still get you into events?


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Post by AllingtonGT » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:15 pm

Corky wrote:
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Though I'm taken aback by how many Scims are coming out this year, as last year we had a hard core of only five or six drivers. It'd be interesting to know if the move to CM has sparked more interest or is it just a coincidence ?

What's the score with the SSSC now? Have we lost all our invites? Do we still have an MSA license and does your RSSOC card still get you into events?
I think there's probably a number of factors affecting the increase in interest, but as Craig suggests it needs to be backed up with attendance. Your final series of questions is really where Pete and Mikey can hopefully provide some answers so that there still can be RSSOC presence at events - potentially alongside CM but maybe at other places. It's helping people to know how they can enter even a few sprints a year under the RSSOC banner and where the opportunities may lie to do so. It takes nothing away from applying early etc, etc.



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Post by MikeyBikey » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:45 am

Ok. I'm working up the alternative attendance for SSSC but what I dont want is to run around with CM and the other venues requesting SSSC attendance for those that were too late only to find they then don't attend these other events anyway. (if i can get them).


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Post by PeterSM » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:05 am

To try to clarify the situation:

The Championship Permit application is with the MSA and we are awaiting a response.
The Championship Permit Application lists the 25 "Qualifying Events" which match the CM events listed in their calendar.
Only these events can count towards the SSSC Championship.
Some of these events were in the SSSC calendar last year.
Some of the SSSC events events in last years calendar the SSSC still have invites to. (As above Mike is working on a getting a definitive list of events and will post when we have clarity.)
Assuming we are granted the permit then where we are invited to events as SSSC that are included in the list of 25 Qualifying Events these events can count to the SSSC championship. (And the CM championship if the driver is registered for both.)

We are also aware that we have invites to events that are not listed in the 25 Qualifying events. (as an example the 2018 Loton reg state that RSSOC is invited to Loton on 1st April, 14/15 April, 14/15 July, 04/05 August, 25/26 August). I assume that members of the RSSOC SSSC can take part in any events where we have an invite but they will not count towards the SSSC as they are not listed in the 25 Qualifying Events. (happy to be corrected on this.)

The Championship permit was not submitted as early as I would have liked and this is down to me. Lesson learned for next year.

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Post by CNHSS1 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:48 am

Great work Peter & Mike 8) 8)


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