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Post by scimjim » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:04 am

From the MSA latest newsletter:

(S) Sprints, Hill Climbs and Drag Racing

Date of implementation: 1 January 2018

9.3.1.1. The heating of tyres, by any method, or their treatment by any chemical substance is prohibited. For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed.

Reason: Environmental. In addition there is a perception that the heating of tyres, by mechanical methods, is prohibited yet a regulation to this effect could not be found


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Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:25 am

There is a move to get clarification as to what is cleaning and what is heating but as I read it the intention is to ban the spinning up of the driven tyres prior to the start line . The secondary part is to ensure everyone then just went out and bought generators and tyre warmers as this would increase the ambient noise levels.
The environmental issue is basically noise, as many cars do a tyre warm on the limiter so not only is there the screech or tyres, but pops and bangs from the exhausts too. Some cars are worse than others but it can be a din if your paddock spot is near the startling.

Some venues have already banned tyre warming/spinning, harewood gurston etc

We will all get over it, but it's one of the unique spectacles that was part of speed events for spectators at some venues.

If it safeguards tracks and hills from those that wish to close them down, then its a price worth paying of course


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Post by nickkeyser » Wed Aug 16, 2017 9:56 am

Will we be able to 'tyre clean' at curborough at the weekend?


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Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:41 am

Yes, you can clean, warm or wear them out Nick ;-)


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Post by Coupe Racing » Wed Aug 16, 2017 11:54 am

Had that down to a fine art :shock:
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Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:08 pm

Pretty sure I've seen some comments on the HSA Facebook site about this and they don't feel it bans pre-start line tyre warming by spinning the wheels.

Is spinning a wheel on the tarmac "abnormally" warming the tyres; isn't that what we do on track anyway :)

I'm not sure TBH. MSA strikes again IMHO. If they want to ban pre-start line spinning of wheels to warm tyres why the hell don't they say so :roll:


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Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:11 pm

As per my post, there are calls for clarification as to the exact nature of the reg change but I believe it's to ban pre start spinning up on tyres

Agree though that issuing a clarification that makes it less clear is a bit of a skill :lol:


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Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:14 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:
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As per my post, there are calls for clarification as to the exact nature of the reg change but I believe it's to ban pre start spinning up on tyres
Yep but that's my main point. Shouldn't need any clarification if the reg changes are written correctly and say what they want it to mean :wink:

Nough said :) it'll come clear soon enough I suppose and doesn't overly bother me anyway TBH


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Post by scimjim » Wed Aug 16, 2017 12:18 pm

I can't believe people are questioning the wording?

"For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed."

What you do after the start is surely considered "normal"?


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Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:08 pm

And I can't believe you can't believe people are misinterpreting MSA reg changes Jim :lol:

Hopefully we all agree it's a poor clarification


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Post by scimjim » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:15 pm

SRs will clarify in simple terms anyway.


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Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:53 pm

Some of the larger sprint associations are questioning it officially, so I suspect we will see a clarification of the clarification before Jan 1st.

The reg change also covers Drag racing so there has to be a clarification


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Post by CNHSS1 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:03 pm

MSA issued a clarification


The MSA has issued a clarification of the recently published regulation change regarding the heating of tyres in Sprints, Hill Climbs and Drag Racing. This clarification, shown as red additions and struck through deletions, is as follows:

(S)9.3.1.1. With the exception of Drag Racing, tThe heating of tyres, by any method other than 9.3.1. above, or their treatment by any chemical substance is prohibited. For the avoidance of doubt, no manner of abnormally raising the temperature of the tyres/wheels above the natural ambient temperature is allowed.

Date of implementation: 1 January 2018.

Reason: Having been approved by MSC in June and subsequently publicised it became apparent that the above clarification is necessary



9.3.1. The spinning of wheels (tyre warming) will only be permitted in a designated area and which should be clearly defined.


So no ban for tyre warming for 2018 so long as it's in a designated area and so long as the venue allows it

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Post by b.c.flat hat » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:13 am

Oh good, since tyre warming has been normal from the very first event way back in nineteen canteen!



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