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Harness regulations

Post by swoakes » Mon May 06, 2013 4:27 pm

After my issue at Ty Croes at the weekend I need to sort out the harness on the drivers side (and possibly the passenger side :? :?: )

I have looked at the blue book and it appears that FIA approved and labelled harnesses are only required for "international" events.

No other standards are mentioned although if not FIA approved "E" seems to be what other harnesses comply with.

I want to fit a 4 point harness either wrapped around the harness bar or fixed to eye bolts that will also secure my roll bar.

These are what I ahve in mind. Comments :?:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Securon-6 ... 3cbe0caed5

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Securon-6 ... 3cb5f3cd5a


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by CNHSS1 » Mon May 06, 2013 4:44 pm

what was the exact nature of the issue of you had Steve?

either of those from ebay look OK, although a bit basic imho.

what roll bar do you have? reliant or other?


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by CNHSS1 » Mon May 06, 2013 4:46 pm

with regards to FIA, no, speed events don't need FIA harnesses per se, and they don't need to be in date for most classes (not 100% sure that's correct for Sports Libre or Racing cars, id have to check though).


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by swoakes » Mon May 06, 2013 4:52 pm

Hi Craig,

Steve C fitted the reliant roll bar but it has the harness bar between the uprights of the hoop.

Steve C fitted 3 point harnesses; the shoulder straps went through the holes in the seats over your shoulder and then converged into one strap which he bolted to one roll bar bolt.

They argued that 3 point harnesses are not permitted and having looked at the regs that appears to be the case although arguably much better than a road going 3 point seat belt and diagonal which is permitted :?

He allowed me to do P1 and told me to come and see him which I did. It was not open for discussion with him but I am still not clear if he expected me to sort it for P2 or the next event and I did not ask. In the end I cut the straps and used the buckle adjuster from the drivers side and passenger side to wrap the belts over the harness bar and secure. It worked but they are now a bit short so need replacing.


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by CNHSS1 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:13 pm

ah, OK. Unfortunately he was right :-(

4 points and the shoulder points must be separate not paired.

as far as im aware, the passenger side shouldn't fail the car for sprinting/hills as its not used during the event, so can stay as is.

if going for a new harness id recommend a 3" harness rather than two and one with an 'aircraft buckle' rather than the plug in road car widget.
aircraft buckle wont pass an MOT, but im assuming your car has the std inertia reel belts still fitted anyway?

advantage of aircraft buckle is that when its popped the shoulder straps are free, you don't have to wiggle your arms out or bother slackening the shoulder straps, certainly quicker to extricate yourself in event of accident or fire, same goes for Marshal dragging you out.

I would defo go 5 point too, stops the harness riding up as you tighten shoulder straps and stops the driver 'submarining' in an accident (slipping under harness).

3" straps is simply to spread the load if you hit something hard, less likely to bruise or break collar bones etc.


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by CNHSS1 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:21 pm

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-Point-SFI-A ... 589be79e47

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Racing-Seat-H ... 51a3b21e6c

double check that they are legal (I haven't read the BB recently) or get FIA belts to be sure

Coupe Racing may have a decent harness for sale iirc


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by swoakes » Mon May 06, 2013 5:23 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:was the scrute in question, grey, scruffy and bearded by any chance? looks like hes just finished a bottle of meths from under the railway arches?
if so, welcome to the club, hes a total tw*t...
:lol: :lol: That's him and he was like that with everyone. We all managed to avoid avoid him at scruitineering.

No the Sabre does not have belts fitted so need snap buckle for MOT.


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Post by CNHSS1 » Mon May 06, 2013 5:35 pm

He told Steve Louch one year to call him 'God' and John L to stop carrying his crash helmet like a puff iirc.

ive mentioned to the organisers in the past that more Scims would attend if that guy wasn't Chief Scrote.

bloke is at Aintree and 3 sisters events too


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by swoakes » Mon May 06, 2013 5:38 pm

CNHSS1 wrote:He told Steve Louch one year to call him 'God' and John L to stop carrying his crash helmet like a puff iirc.

ive mentioned to the organisers in the past that more Scims would attend if that guy wasn't Chief Scrote.

bloke is at Aintree and 3 sisters events too
I'm at Aintree next :roll: :lol:


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by turbster » Mon May 06, 2013 5:49 pm

What a guy, he tried so hard to find something on Tango and eventually came up with a 5mm hole in the bulkhead which had no grommet.... I filled it with silicone and he laughed when I took it back and told me he HAD to find something and congratulated me on the build :lol:


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by swoakes » Mon May 06, 2013 5:54 pm

I think he pi**ed a lot of people off over the weekend. At one point he was walking round the paddock checking cars :roll: made me smile when he knocked on the door of an MGA owners motorhome to "have a word"

I just avoided eye contact for the rest of the weekend; surprisingly he never came over to check the car :shock:


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by scimjim » Mon May 06, 2013 10:37 pm

The 4 point harness wording is another rediculous reg for series production when you can legally run with factory diagonal inertia belts :roll:


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by Coupe Racing » Tue May 07, 2013 12:27 pm

Steve I have a good quality Willians harness that is for sale and it's 3 inch wide and has the aircraft type release too


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by nickkeyser » Tue May 07, 2013 2:09 pm

Every days a school day, didnt realise aircraft style releases are not allowed on road cars (MOT Man didnt pick it up on mine), and I didnt know that they needed to be anything more than E marked for road going.

Having had both 3" and 2" in various cars, I say that;
-3" is more comfy, especially when pulled up super tight on race day.
- The better the harness, the better the buckles on the lap and shoulder straps, and the better the buckles the easier to adjust. Not the end of the world in a 1 driver car, but on my cheap (well, £80) 3" harnesses they can be a bit difficult to adjust quickly when driver 2 wants to jump in. Also was a bit of a PITA as I had one on my passenger side too, but not quite so bad as I had a passenger seat on runners so they could slide the seat forward to take up the slack.


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Re: Harness regulations

Post by CNHSS1 » Tue May 07, 2013 2:16 pm

nickkeyser wrote:Every days a school day, didnt realise aircraft style releases are not allowed on road cars (MOT Man didnt pick it up on mine).

youre not the first to have mentioned they got them through the MOT, but im sure ive not dreamt it.

the aircraft buckle are much better imho


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