Curborough 18 August 2013

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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by nickkeyser » Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:46 pm

Results attached. Cant wait to see the handicap results!
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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by Nick » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:21 pm

Guys,

Handicap results enclosed. Obviously I have only included registered Compies.
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No surprise That Trevor got the 25 points, Nick Keyser's 23.92 is impresive, as is Richard Carter on 23.14 and Craig on 22.92

John Louch continues to lead the Championship as the only man to complete 7 events. Whilst Trevor has 149.93 from 6 events Steve Louch is not far behind on 147.37


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:57 pm

Hi Nick,

did you remember to change my tyre factor as i'm now on 1Bs (1As at Loton). If wear rate persists I shall be on slicks at end of next meeting lol

22.92 points isn't as bad as I feared given the power/weight figs :)


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by BigBobPilot » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:56 pm

CNHSS1 wrote: apologies for the rather enthusiastic but annoying 'Go on Ben' chant from Finn during one run :roll:
Crikey, you weren't kidding.

At least I can see where I was loosing time to Craig, I was rubbish around the Mole hill, turning in far too early and making life difficult on the exit. Never mind, at least I went around it I guess (nice pics of a carefully balanced Louch SE5 in the car shows section...)


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by efi_sprintgte » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:22 pm

Wow that sabre shaped coffin really was trying to kill you guys! Sounded awesome down the straights mate :D . see what Ben means about the molehill but fair play to controlling it every run! 8)


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:43 am

Well done to Trevor on his 25 points and the Keysers car certainly looks good on handicap. Well done to BC too who murdered me on handicap.

As for me I was pleased with my timed runs; all 4 were in the 73 seconds and my best beat the test day time by a fair margin. On handicap I was last but looking at my 6 points scores I appear to be improving event by event relative to the winner which is encouraging.

Over the winter I plan to improve the car in terms of braking and handling which will hopefully allow us to achieve faster times with no additional handicap penalty; we'll see.

Can I suggest semi-seriously that the power to weight figures used in the championship INCLUDE the weight of the driver; mentioning no names but I can think of a few other people who may agree :wink: :lol: :lol:

Finally below is a video of one of my runs; time 73.20 I think. Nice comments appretiated :wink: :)



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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:56 am

Can I suggest semi-seriously that the power to weight figures used in the championship INCLUDE the weight of the driver; mentioning no names but I can think of a few other people who may agree :wink: :lol: :lol:


Certainly the two members of Team BigLad will back that one... ;-)


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:13 am

I think the Keysers did a few 2-up runs on the test days. I could be wrong but the times were about 3 seconds down on normal. Not sure who was driving and how good the laps were but it would be interesting to determine the time lost per additional kg of weight.

On the next test day myself and Josh may have to do a few 2-up runs and have our own handicap system to give me a fighting chance (or maybe not :roll: )


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by nickkeyser » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:41 am

As an athlete that eats and trains based around the SSSC handicap I dont think driver weight should be included... ;)


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:54 am

re the vid Steve, comments below.

what are you shifting up at? seems/sounds a little early?

anyway,

off the line, good start, but seems to be into 2nd a tad early, what diff are you running? original 3.9 or 3.62?
seems pretty good up to last cone, maybe another 'brave' pill to carry a bit more speed which will naturally have the car run out to the outside of the circuit in a nice continual arc from last cone to apex cone on top of left hander, at the moment you have a staright bit in the arc.

you are kissing the kerbs and running out to the left of the back straight which I think is good (others use less kerb than me), molehill entry could carry a tad more speed and get on the gas earlier, possibly at apex of molehill rather than just after it? Your cars nicely composed so the getting on the gas earlier shouldn't upset it too much.

from molehill exit seems a bit of short shifting, wont to hang the gears longer, if a 3.62 diff maybe even leave in 2nd to the molehill entry (does feel wrong as you are buzzing it up the rev range) if you have an aftermarket rev limiter, its probably quicker to hold against it than change to 3rd and then back again)

the Fradley hairpin is where you can make up loads of time imho, you are turning in miles too early. Ben Gough has always had a much better line through there than me, literally runs all the way along the left hand side of the track, aiming for the gate! and then turns in so that the car almost comes back on itself. This means you kiss the kerb at approx. 2/3rd-3/4 way round the hairpin. feels really weird to me, and I really struggle to master it, but the test day helped me a lot there. Using the BG line, you compromise entry speed, but you are on the gas miles earlier on the exit and the cars at a much straighter angle meaning the cars less likely to push wide. As an example as to how good the line is, Ben did a few 100mph runs over the line, I was on average 2-3mph slower.

getting the hairpin right will make you quicker down the straight meaning heavier braking into the 2nd lap turn. Possibly a tad further over to the left at entry, stand the thing on its nose in a straight line then ease off on the turn-in, maybe a little earlier on the gas there too.

above are not criticisms at all, and may be wrong assumptions from the video, if youd have seen my first season youd laugh, but the cars very composed so usually means you can be a bit more aggressive and still get away with it at Curborough. Conditions were near perfect at Curbs on sunday, track grip was much better than Saturday morning too.

wheres your next event BTW?


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:37 am

Thanks for the comments Craig. I was trying to hit the last bollard on the way out; thought I was close a few times but I think its an illusion as when I watched you MP guys know one was anywhere near it :shock:

I was trying to straight line the first 2 corners but as you say need to drift out wider. I think I got better around the molehill on Sunday trying to straight line the braking zone using the rumble strip on the right as I approached it. Some work still do do though.

My diff is standard as far as I know. I did try staying in second between the molehill and the hairpin on the test day but felt a change up/ down produced better times. I had real problems getting the power down out of the hairpin and seemed to be waiting an age before I could floor it; too early and I just span the wheels.

Given the power I have I do wonder if 1B tyres would produce better handicap times than on 1A's. I may ask Mr Cork to run some figures through his spreadsheet to see what time I would need to do on B's to produce the same handicap time as A's.

Thanks again :wink:


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:51 am

an LSD would benefit yours in terms of putting the power down on launch and corner exits, and 1Bs would defo bring the times down, but as you say, whether its worth the extra handicap factor I don't know


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:00 pm

An LSD is on my list to add over the winter :wink:


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by CNHSS1 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:09 pm

before you buy one, decide on tyres and any potential power hikes, then you can choose which diff ratio will be best to suit next seasons set up.


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Re: Curbs Sprint 18th August 2013

Post by swoakes » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:11 pm

Power will stay the same Craig. Not sure on Tyres yet. What is the thinking on ratio of diff :?:


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