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Post by Corky » Fri Mar 03, 2017 4:25 pm

greeny wrote:Well done cheesy!!!!
Cheers. It was a good day all round, as the Audi passed its MOT too. Mind you, at only 4 years old with 21,000 on the clock I'd have been very disappointed with a fail.
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Post by CNHSS1 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:22 pm

Blimey im surprised the thing didnt fai through lack of use and perished tyres at 21k and 4yrs!


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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by Corky » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:31 pm

Haha... its the low mileage that made me keep hold of it at the end of the deal. I normally do about 8k a year, but we've not used my car for trips around Europe, we've done fly-drive the last few years. I'm amazed at the difference it's made.


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Post by CNHSS1 » Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:54 pm

Does help when you do sensible mileage, quality cars just don't deteriorate with age just miles. To be fair mines just over 2 years old and done 45k and it's as good as the day I bought it.


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Post by Corky » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:26 pm

Definitely won over by the quality. Reminds me of the BMWs I had a few years ago. Feels nicer than the VWs we've had.
I think the Audi is the best car I've ever owned. Such a brilliant all rounder. If I was to replace it now, I'd want exactly the same again, but maybe with the V6 deisel.
I borrowed the new A4 (B9?)for a day. I thought it felt a bit cheapened over the B8, but maybe that's how they managed to shave weight. So I'll stick with this for a couple more years I think (shocked at myself, keeping a car so long, personal record on the horizon :lol: ).


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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by scimjim » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:33 pm

Are you really considering diseasel with reduced mileage and the shift in global views on them?

I am comparing everything against the Merc - quality has improved again in the last 10 years and I just couldn't get excited about the interiors of ANY VAG offerings?

I think I could be tempted back into a newer BMW despite the E46 holding the record for the car I sold quickest after buying/most disappointing car ever!


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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by Corky » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:53 pm

I like the torque characteristics of a diesel, great for towing. The twin charger VW that swmbo has comes close. I'd consider one of those engines if it was man enough.

I think interiors take some getting used to no matter what you buy. You spend more time looking at that than you do the exterior. I looked at the new E and C class and hated the interiors (That stupid SatNav screen !), but I dare say I'd get used to it and grow to like it in time. I quite like the interiors of the new Infinitii , they are beautiful!


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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by ScimmyMike » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:56 pm

Really need 15k a year plus to make it worthwhile paying the extra for a diesel even now. I'll easily do Steve's 4 yearly mileage in 12 months so can justify a diesel though when the 9-5 dies I will be goig petrol with a gas fuel system on it, for towing they now say a turbo petrol is as good to use as a diesel turbo


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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by scimjim » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:00 pm

yep - I'm not sold on the new Merc interior (test drove A, B & C classes recently) - and I've had diesels for years now (12k miles on this one since last July). I think a big V8 or V12 petrol may prevail against a new small turbo/multicharged/hybrid engine :-)

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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by Corky » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:05 pm

Fuel economy is only part of the equation. Something the motoring journalist/advisors tend to forget.

When I bought the Audi, it would've been a much bigger depreciation cliff if I'd bought petrol.

Of course now the Government have changed their advice (yet again), the picture is a bit different.


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Post by philhoward » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:12 pm

ScimmyMike wrote:Really need 15k a year plus to make it worthwhile paying the extra for a diesel even now. I'll easily do Steve's 4 yearly mileage in 12 months so can justify a diesel though when the 9-5 dies I will be goig petrol with a gas fuel system on it, for towing they now say a turbo petrol is as good to use as a diesel turbo
The 1.4 TSI Octavia 140PS I had was absolutely fine towing across France. Now have the 150PS 1.4 ACT engine in a Leon and I don't know why they haven't retired the diesels. It's averaged over 50mpg in 43,000 miles in 18 months, no lag, no smells, no recalls :D and warms up within a mile or 2 even in this weather.


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Post by scimjim » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:36 pm

philhoward wrote:I don't know why they haven't retired the diesels.
popularity - 15 years of subsidised VED in an attempt to meet Kyoto summit CO2 targets.

I wonder how quietly Boris' new Routemasters will be replaced at less than 10 years old and a third of a million each? :mrgreen:


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Post by Dennis Nicholas » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:41 pm

Philhoward The 1.4 TSI Octavia 140PS I had was absolutely fine towing across France.

Currently have basic petrol 1.2 TSI S Yeti. After my Renault Espace am finding it a bit small and lip-in-boot awkward. Also bit gutless needing much down gearchanging for hills (unlike GTC) BUTI like the 7" ground clearance for my farm track to house and high ride view, and being able to take the rear seats out. Was thinking of Octavia estate as next replacement....probably about another few years as only just had a free replacement engine due to the VAG timing chain debacle ruining the engine and rest of car only done 40,000 (from 2010). I think the Superb would be just too big for a couple of wizened oldies! I hate styling for the sake of it, gadgets, bells and whistles so the SE would seem to fit the bill as the most basic but with the 1.4 petrol (150?).
Anything that one needs to look out for in an older Octy (would probably be a 4 - 5 year old by the time I buy)? Maybe the new Yeti will be bigger enough?

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Post by CNHSS1 » Sat Mar 04, 2017 1:01 am

're diesel vs petrol, taking the BM as an example the 4cyl 5 series quoted 63mpg you will see 35 round town 45 on a combined run, 35 if driven like a loon, 50 on a proper run. Equivalent petrol 25mpg 35 at best.
It's easier to drive petrol badly (in terms of fuel consumption) tha diesel. Big throttle applications dont drop a diesel 3 gears and rev its conkers off like the equiv petrol, to get good economy on the petrol you have to drive like a saint and it's average at towing.

Running a car through a business alters the choice too the petrols don't add up (currently at least, maybe 3 to 5 years time that may differ) it's diesels all the way.

I need to change my car by year end latest. Must be towing capable and must be estate or 4x4 with big boot. Like the Jag F-Pace but 163hp diesel is 25mpg or the 300hp diesel is, wait for It, 25mpg. Hmmmm. At between 22kand 24k miles annually that costs a lot to run. Really liked the Merc E class last time I looked a couple of years ago, comfy ride but bit of a row boat if driven briskly. Huge boot too. Also comes with Wurthers, slippers, Labrador etc as standard ;-)

Don't want a Discovery-'orrible, cant afford a Range Rover Sport (or the WAG passenger seat accessory..) don't like the image problem of Q7, do like my Bro's new XC90 Volvo but fear If I have one the kids will want a dog... I like BMWs but X5 has a worse image problem than an Audi Q7, X3 boot too small, X4 image problem (doesn't know if it's a car, a 4x4 or a chicks car). Like the F Pace a lot but it's one of those cars that lives or dies on the body colour and the wheel and it's thirsty even for the company friendly ones. A4 too small, A6 bigger but uninspiring other than the RS6 our warehouse manager has but I can't afford 76 grand! Or the 8mpg when playing with the fruity pedal. C Class too small although looks lovely in estate version. Love the skoda VRS like steve oakes, the blue mettalic they do is gorgeous but too small and don't like the bigger Superb shape. Detest the Toureg and Tiguan (sorry Corky know your a Tiggy fan) not a vw fan at all.

So my current list is XF sportbrake, F-Pace or the new 5 series. I drove the new 5 series at the launch a few weeks ago, basically an evolution of what I have. Looks good although Touring not out for few months only saloon. I don't like the new sat nav and media screen, its huge, looks like an ipad stuffed in the dash, why do you need a widescreen tv in the dash?? Also why do BMW do loads of different models with fantastic colours and leave the 5 series with 15 Shades of Grey?? Or you can have Bullshit Bronze of whatever they call it (same as mk3 Cortina metallic brown...shudder). Reckon ittl be another white one at this rate. Will probably go for the 4wd version this time (thanks Mr BMW UK for bring in 4wd 5 series :-) )


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Re: Sabre Ti Cheshire Cheese.

Post by scimjim » Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:59 am

CNHSS1 wrote:Really liked the Merc E class last time I looked a couple of years ago, comfy ride but bit of a row boat if driven briskly. Huge boot too. Also comes with Wurthers, slippers, Labrador etc as standard ;-)

C Class too small although looks lovely in estate version.
swapped my E class estate for a C class estate (with Wurthers & Labrador :-)) and (a) really noticed the loss of boot space but (b) really noticed the lower weight - on handling but particularly on economy. I do the same motorway run four days a week, so can compare them pretty well. Over 12k I reckon the C class (with the same 2.1 turbo diesel) is nearly 10mpg better in the real world.

Perhaps we should split this discussion out of Steve's project thread? :D


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