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Post by heathsabre » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:13 am

The MOT on our Sabre Six GT ran out at the end of March. For various reasons it was not practical to renew the MOT at that time. From May the car will qualify for MOT exemption. If I keep the car off the road until then, will I be able to use it again after the May exemption date or will it still need an MOT until the next "tax" renewal date (July)?


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Post by chrisgallacher » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:05 pm

I'm in exactly the same position.

The situation seems less than clear, and the nearest to an answer I've found is on p80 para 20 of the latest Slice where it refers to this. It seems that if DfT do nothing to tweak the system, you have to wait until the tax is due and then declare the car as VHI (since that's the only point at which VHI can de declared) at which point it will qualify for MOT exemption. So either put an MOT on now, or wait until your tax is due for MOT-free status.

But the same para says that this inconsistency is now recognised by DfT & FBHVC and will be 'progressed'.

Have I understood this correctly?


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:06 pm

I’m not sure of the answer to your exact question, but, to the best of my knowledge if your car doesn’t have a MOT you will need to declare SORN so the tax renewal date will become irrelevant.


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Post by Old and Slow » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:15 pm

I second the proposal - put it on SORN whilst it is off the road, then the computers at DVLA should recognise the status when you want to renew the tax, but in order to register for no MOT don't you have to declare it a Historic Vehicle of Interest first? This I believe you can do at the same time as you take it off SORN, but I might be mistaken.
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Post by chrisgallacher » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:20 pm

I didn't think you had to declare SORN when an MOT runs out - only when tax expires. In fact that's the only point I've ever done it.

But I did wonder if your solution might work Philip - so long as you are able to declare SORN at any stage, not just at tax renewal times? I've just had a look at the DVLA site and looks like SORN can be declared at any point so I think I will try this. Thanks guys.


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:23 pm

My mate got a fine because he still had tax on a laid up motorbike that didn’t have MOT. I believe it’s because with no MOT the bike has to be “declared off the road” ie SORN


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Post by chrisgallacher » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:31 pm

Interesting, didn't know that - thanks.

Either way, I think declaring SORN on my Sabre for a few weeks then registering it as VHI on 20th May might be the way ahead in my case. Suppose the only thing is what degree of embuggerance will be encountered on or soon after 20th May in getting things registered appropriately whilst the system beds down?


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Post by drcdb15 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:03 pm

efi_sprintgte wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:23 pm
My mate got a fine because he still had tax on a laid up motorbike that didn’t have MOT. I believe it’s because with no MOT the bike has to be “declared off the road” ie SORN
This situation happened to me last year (the MoT expiry, not the fine!), but I suspect your friend may have been a little confused. It is the case that you cannot tax a vehicle UNLESS it has an MoT first. Therefore when the TAX runs out you must either renew the tax or lodge a SORN. However, there is as far as I am aware no obligation to lodge a SORN when the MoT runs out. All that happens when the MoT expires is that you mustn't use the vehicle on the public road (apart from anything else it will invalidate insurance).

If it *were* the case that no MoT required a new SORN then every time a vehicle failed its MoT it would have to have a SORN until it was fixed and re-tested! The order of priority is insurance first, then MoT, then tax.

When the MoT runs out, as I said, you can't drive the car. So you can either just leave the vehicle taxed (but why? since you can't use it) or you can lodge a SORN and get any residual tax refunded. This opportunity to get some money back off the government may be the source of the 'advice' that when the MoT runs out you need to lodge SORN.


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Post by Rev Light » Sun Apr 08, 2018 5:20 pm

Let's hope that the website can handle everyone taxing and declaring VHI at the same time come May the 20th.....


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Post by heathsabre » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:02 am

Thanks for all the information. I should have read Slice before posting the question, but I am now much the wiser.

One reason for delaying the MOT was a slack hand brake cable. Access for adjustment involves either removing the transmission tunnel and attacking it from above or removing the prop shaft and attacking it from below. I went for the latter and the job is now done so I plan to go for an MOT within the next week or so.


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Post by Martin Rowe » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:09 am

So you are driving it knowing there is a fault in the brake system.



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Post by Datsundrew » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:31 am

A small point to add here as to why you might keep a car taxed after the mot runs out.......you can keep it on the road ( parked) and there is absolutely nothing that can be done about it as long as it’s insured!!
Ask me how I know? We had an ancient Renaut traffic camper parked outside our house for 10 months last year, and everyone in the street tried to get it moved, police and council would put an abandoned vehicle disposal 14 day notice on it, the owners removed it and told the council, and then it’d repeat every month. The day after the tax ran out, it was towed away. I spoke to the council most weeks , along with others, but there is nothing that could be done. Madness.



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Post by scimjim » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:50 am

drcdb15 wrote:
Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:03 pm
So you can either just leave the vehicle taxed (but why? since you can't use it)....
We're talking about have historic class VED cars that don't cost anything to tax - so the question really is, why would you bother to cancel it??


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Post by Datsundrew » Tue Apr 10, 2018 11:08 am

Because under the new mot vhi exemption, if it’s currently taxed, you can’t declare the exemption, as you will only be able to declare exemption when you apply for tax.
So the options seem to be either mot it, and then declare as exempt when the tax runs out, or sorn it until the 20 th May, and then apply for the new tax and declaring it mot exempt at that point.



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