HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by chrisgallacher » Tue Oct 26, 2010 9:13 am

Mike has a point and from the wording shown it isn't clear whether 'and' or 'or' applies. But either way it is ambiguous.

If it really is simply an 'or' then wouldn't it be possible to run an event with 500 cars on the public road so long as everyone behaved properly and complied with the Highway Code as in (c) and forget the other categories? Which clearly is nonsense.

On the other hand, if it's an 'and' then you can't run any event unless all competitors are members of the armed forces! Also nonsense.

Trying to use the MSA Blue Book to understand the rules & regulations (for example) for road rallying throws up many similar contradictions and confusion. That's a criticism of those in the MSA who draft these things by the way, not hard-working club members who have the thankless task of trying to pick a way through the rules.


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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by heathsabre » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:13 am

For our Sabra Sabre meeting in the Peak District we applied to the MSA for a certificate of exemption for a "Touring Assembly". There was a charge of £19. The process is to contact the local Route Liaison Officer with details of your route http://msa45.dev.fishertechnology.co.uk ... ls/rlo.pdf. The MSA Liaison Officer for Derbyshire is John Thornhill, (01773 785927), and we suggest you talk to him for guidance. He was very helpful for us although you might be a bit late for Halloween.


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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by toomanysabres » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:50 am

Reading that again is the scatter rally I was on about. You just mustn't use minimum mileage as a criterion. It doesn't mention car numbers so more than 12 is I think OK. The idea is that as the cars are going all over the place in different directions Joe Soap won't notice a rally going on. Just traffic :lol: The fact they are all the same cars doesn't come into it ha ha.
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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:52 am

Mike,

sorry to have started this but as you say - better safe than sorry.

Jaki (or was it Tony? :D ) has the best advice - contact the MSA liaison officer, tell him what you're doing and follow his instructions (make sure they're written and retained - not phone calls) - you're then absolved of any incorrect interpretations of the blue book.


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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by toomanysabres » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:56 pm

While you are at it ask if he will accept computer maps eg google or mappoint as the official method is large sheets of tracing paper to lay over the 50,000 OS map at that is a PAIN.


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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by andrewcollins » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:27 pm

I remember in 2008 it was a pain trying to sort out the permit for the international.

Once we get a definitive answer perhaps we can have it sticky'd - and printed in Slice ??

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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by ScimmyMike » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:56 pm

toomanysabres wrote:While you are at it ask if he will accept computer maps eg google or mappoint as the official method is large sheets of tracing paper to lay over the 50,000 OS map at that is a PAIN.
As I work in an Architects office tracing paper of full OS sheet size doesn't worry me in the slightest, might try and drag them into the 20th century never mind the 21st :roll:


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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by ScimmyMike » Tue Oct 26, 2010 10:59 pm

andrewcollins wrote:I remember in 2008 it was a pain trying to sort out the permit for the international.

Once we get a definitive answer perhaps we can have it sticky'd - and printed in Slice ??

Andrew
Andrew, I think in light of what I'm experiencing I'll certainly be writing this up, whether for slice or here I'm not sure maybe both so all can avoid the same problems in the future

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Re: HIGH PEAK HALLOWEEN FUN RUN

Post by toomanysabres » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:30 am

As rally sec I ought to be getting a handle on this. Its just that I haven't been through the exercise myself for an event. I will be getting the definitive instructions for club organisers sorted including reviewing the stuff that Geoff Eldridge wrote several years ago to see if there are any changes needed. We must have consistent advice otherwise it will end up causing more confusion. Thanks for sticking your head above the parapet and watch this space.
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