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Post by HarrySS1 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:22 pm

Hi guys, im new here, (hope this is the right spot for the post)
I recently bought my first SS1 a 1600 D reg. It came with problems which have been mostly overcome. (I made it 30 miles from point of sale before it broke down)
Im here asking for help with the soft top fixings at the rear edge.
I just have a series of holes along the back edge of the cockpit which i assume require poppers or bolts to go into.
Any info on these, or any ideas where i can get them would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance, Harry



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Post by philhoward » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:38 pm

Welcome, Harry!

Those holes should have a thread inside them (M3.5 rings a bell - same as used on domestic switches). The hood is attached with a sandwich - screw goes through a popper base, then through the hood itself (which should have a steel strip inserted with holes to match up), then into the rear deck panel.

Items 5 and 6 specifically:

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Item 7 is the captive nut which is hopefully still there..


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Post by philhoward » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:40 pm

The poppers are there for the hood cover, by the way, and are just standard poppers you can probably get off eBay for a quid or two or a local haberdashery shop.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:47 pm

Hi Harry, and welcome. :D Not quite the right place, but don't worry, I've moved it for you :)

To add to Phil's point, I thought they were M4, but it may be my memory playing up! Anyway AJLElectronics used to sell the nut-plate fittings (no 7 in the diagram) but I can't find them on his website, so he might be out of stock?


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Post by philhoward » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:50 pm

I can't remember if they were M3.5 or M4 to be honest :oops: hence my slightly dubious answer!


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Post by HarrySS1 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:50 pm

Thanks for the responses guys, The cars at the garage today for a little finishing off, once it returns il see what i have and havent got left.
Any ideas on sourcing the hood cover?
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Post by philhoward » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:53 pm

I'm sure someone on here has one kicking around going spare? Not me though, I'm afraid!


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Post by Corky » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:57 pm

They were M3.5 on my SS1 and on the Sabre. However the female fittings (which are pop riveted through the deck panel and back of the tub) are usually slightly corroded with worn threads. I've replaced my screws with self tappers, and they're very secure.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:58 pm

philhoward wrote:
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I can't remember if they were M3.5 or M4 to be honest :oops: hence my slightly dubious answer!
Well, I'm not sure either, because mine must have stripped before my ownership, and it's always had self-tappers in them. I bought some of the proper items from Andy at Curbs a couple of years ago, but I put them in a safe place, with the inevitable result....... :doh: :oops:


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Post by Kwackers » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:25 pm

I tried m3.5 electrical socket screws in mine but the thread was different even though the diameter was correct (an m4 tap was too large). However I used an electricians rethreading tool which is m3.5 and then electrical screws fit and hold fine. The tool is widely available from electrical suppliers or screwfix and a very handy thing to have.



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Post by gtcse8 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:09 pm

I have re tapped mine in M4 and used SS screws and eyelets.

AJL has run out of the SS fixings.

I replaced ALL the door card nut fittings on my car with M5 types that I re manufactured to fit into the door moulding.

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Post by reliant-reviver » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:24 pm

3BA originally iirc.

Going larger doesn't work as you won't get the female poppers into the deck studs as an M4 csk machine screw isn't small enough to sit down into the male popper.


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Post by Benc » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:42 pm

QRG sell the plates with M3.5 nuts domestic electrical cover screws work with poppers off ebay.

If replacing the ones on the actual hood which pass through a steel bar in bottom of hood go for long shank press stud as the short ones are too short.

Just recently done mine :D



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Post by henryp » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:13 pm

My screws were BA as reliant-reviver suggested.
Stainless steel versions are available from suppliers who cater to the model steam enthusiasts.

Would suggest replacing the steel strip within the base of the hood with alloy (standard strip size from B&Q).
You just need to create a slight taper in the width at each end by removing a little material from the bottom edge.


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Post by gtcse8 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:44 pm

Phil my SS screws went into the poppers ok?.
And the 4 forward poppers work ok, I don't have a hood cover though.
Only trouble I had was the length of the screws at the front, they went too far through and hit against the inside of the car so I had to cut them down till they firmly gripped the male poppers.
There are a few different sizes of poppers as benc says and my replacements were left over from some I bought for the GTC`s.
I used slotted machine screws as pozidrive were not available in my extensive stock of fasteners.


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