Death of a Scimitar

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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Corky » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:58 pm

True :roll:


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by AJL Electronics » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:20 pm

I still have plenty of Cohline in stock apart from the 12mm. For some reason, I am having trouble getting restocked with that. No other dealers I have tried so far have it either!


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Corky » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:46 pm

I'm OK for now Andy (got 5m of R6 and a few meters of nylon), but will give you a shout when I next need some.


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Scimher » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:55 pm

AJL Electronics wrote:Another tragic victim. Looking at the damage, it seems to be an engine fire, so another example of fuel lines being under specification I would guess.

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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Barrie James » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:52 pm

I'm sure I need to replace the hoses in my SS1 as well. I went to our local classic car show over the weekend, having not used the car for some weeks, it performed well with no faults. However, having gone out for a short drive yesterday I noticed a smell of petrol as I was parking it. So I immediately killed the engine. I can't see any fuel leaks, but the smell is still there, so I'm not using it again until the fuel lines are replaced.


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by scimjim » Thu Jun 23, 2016 9:55 pm

the CVH fuel lines are under much lower pressure, so the risk is much lower - but wise to replace ASAP.


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by RonH » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:28 pm

Having just read this thread I'm now trying to find the conclusion or consensus of opinion regarding fire extinguishers.
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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by scimjim » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:34 pm

best? fully automatic engine bay & cockpit system.

realistsic? hand held fire extinguisher in the cabin in case you need a few extra seconds to get out.

you're unlikely to be able to put out an engine bay fuel fire with a non halon HHFE unless the fuel supply has been removed.

can't remember if it has an electric fuel pump or not? if so, does it have an inertia switch?


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Chgperformance » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:39 pm

I removed some R9 marked fuel hose from a customers 3 wheeler last week. Was fitted for 18 months of which that car was used for maybe half. It was splitting along its length :O

I keep R6 Codan in 6mm, r9 in 8mm and half inch fuel pipe (can't remember the spec) for the breather on 3 wheeler tanks.



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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Corky » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:46 pm

For a whole host of reasons foam is your best choice for an in-car extinguisher.

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Extinguishers are there to aid escape. So extinguishing a small fire or temporarily knocking it back to allow safe passage is all they are there for. The reason for foam instead of dry powder in the cockpit of your car is that they do not impair visibility or cause immediate respiratory problems. Also they are better at preventing reignition due to their cooling and capping properties.
Putting a car fire out is a complicated business if you want to do it safely. AFAIK all UK fire authorities require firefighters to wear breathing apparatus to tackle one due to the toxic emissions. They'll usually attack it with their high pressure hose reels which deliver about 500lts per minute (around 20-30 bar IIRC). Depending on the vehicle and availability of a hydrant or open water they may also have their low pressure system (upwards of approx 1500lpm at 4-6bar), foam inductor with a medium expansion branch and a dry powder fire extinguisher.
Considerations have to made for the safety of of the firefighters. Pressurised items such as gas struts (shocks and boot lifters), tyres and LPG tanks are a big concern. Plastics, rubbers and alloys can be very difficult to extinguish with water or even dry powder (occasionally a dual media water/DP attack is required for tyres).
So in a round about way, the point I'm making is get yourselves well out of the way and call the fire service. A car can be replaced but you can't.

Halon was great, but now it's only legal for aircraft, the military or for use in the Channel Tunnel.......
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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by RonH » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:22 am

scimjim wrote:best? fully automatic engine bay & cockpit system.

realistsic? hand held fire extinguisher in the cabin in case you need a few extra seconds to get out.

you're unlikely to be able to put out an engine bay fuel fire with a non halon HHFE unless the fuel supply has been removed.

can't remember if it has an electric fuel pump or not? if so, does it have an inertia switch?
Yes electric fuel pump with an inertia switch. Was the one on Amazon regarded as an appropriate choice - PFE2/PFE1 Portable Aerosol Fire Extinguisher?
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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Corky » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:24 am

Have you read this thread Ron viewtopic.php?f=17&t=31545&p=365191


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by RonH » Fri Jun 24, 2016 8:42 am

Corky wrote:Have you read this thread Ron viewtopic.php?f=17&t=31545&p=365191
Yes - that is the thread I read through last night. I was trying to find a later forum update. I'm now going to order the one mentioned as someone noted "it's best to have something rather than nothing at all." Which was the situation I found myself in some 30 years ago with my magazine featured Lotus Nova. It was soul destroying.



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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by Corky » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:09 am

I can't argue against having one of those to aid escape, as they will give a quick knock down of any flames (better than foam I would guess). But I would caution that they won't be much good at preventing re-ignition, as the cooling and capping won't be up to that of a foam extinguisher. There is no "cover all eventuality" fire extinguisher, which is why there is such a large range to choose from.

The best approach is to try to prevent a fire happening in the first place. Ensure your fuel lines are sound and you have suitable method of cutting the flow. Make sure fuel lines are secured properly and are not too exposed and likely to be cut/worn/grazed. Check that electrical systems are in good condition and the fuses are correctly rated. Isolate the battery when the vehicle is not in use.

And on the subject of escape. Make sure your seatbelt mechanisms are easy to undo and the doors are easy to open from the inside and outside. I have to say that handle-less doors like you see on some TVRs do worry me. How on earth could someone help you out of car if they can't open the door !


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Re: Death of a Scimitar

Post by scimjim » Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:22 am

I think that extinguisher is a total waste of money - for the stated requirement: "I need to protect 404 as best or as much as I possibly can"

as Steve says, it could be used to aid escape but please don't think you're going to save the car with it. by the time you get an indication, stop and exit, it will almost certainly be too late.


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