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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by Alan SS1 » Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:29 pm

efi_sprintgte wrote:
Alan SS1 wrote: and the later MINIs with bigger wheels went METRIC
I'm sorry but the minis stayed the same PCD from 1959-2001. The offset changed for disc brake cars however (hence spacer drums on the rear).
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Ok maybe it was the METRO then ? :? ( I knew the offset was wrong tween mini & Robin)

Either way it is a bit academic if wheel size is still small!

go with Joe's advice, but as you already said 'changes' mean insurance 'changes'
arguing better brakes is safer is a no-win situation, they counter with 'so you will go faster' :(


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by Oaksey » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:10 pm

Don't worry, I've already stripped the side windows down ready for new seals and the like

I've made a bit more progress but not as much as I'd like.

I've been stripping and sanding more things ready for paint. The boot door came off but the hinge studs are seized in the door and the bolts that hold the hinges to the main body sheared, so some more surgery is needed.

I've spent a lot of time trying to get it started but its having none of it so far. I put a dizzy cap, set of leads, points and condenser on as there weren't any fitted. I also stripped and cleaned the dizzy out then set the static timing and the points gap.
It spins over nice and quick but doesn't attempt to fire. I was tipping fuel straight down the carb so it definitely has fuel.
The first problem was the wire between the dizzy and the coil negative which was only allowing 0.5V across the coil. The positive feed is fine.
I assume why it won't attempt to fire is that when you start cranking, the voltage across the coil drops to only 5V. It isn't resistance in the positive feed as the fault occurs even with a direct feed from the battery terminal.
I guess that means the fault is with the negative feed (as the problem isn't with the battery. The voltmeter reads 11.5V across the terminals when cranking)
I put a jump lead straight onto the dizzy body from the battery terminal and yet the voltage still drops to 5V when cranking.

I don't think I've missed anything out. Has anyone got any ideas?


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by windy » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:16 pm

Do you mean the voltage measured from + on the coil to earth drops to 5v when cranking?



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Post by Oaksey » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:18 pm

Ooh, possibly. I tried so many different ways I can't remember the results for everything


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by windy » Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:33 pm

If you measure across the 2 coil connections with the engine turning the power is continually being switched on & off which might give the impression of low voltage. I'd check the points contacts are perfectly clean, the condensor is definitely in good working order & the coil body itself has a connection to earth.



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Post by Alan SS1 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:13 pm

stupid question, if no plug lead wires fitted when it arrived how did you establish plug 1? should be a wee dimple next to plug one, approx timing can be set looking at the points, in dark might even see a wee 'spark' as points open?

also check rotation direction of the dizzy (been there) :oops:
in defence moved from working on oppos YUGO to Reliant so as one is continental & one UK , obviously dizzy rotates opposite direction, cos they drive on the wrong side :D

TBH earthing the coil ? ? ? ? ? ? it has + & - or ign & CB on it usually?

If pouring a teaspoon of fuel doesn't cause a cough, check that a loose spark plug works/sparks when you connect the plug-lead to the coil and earth onto block, then flick the C B open & closed with thumb with ign on (or run a lead from battery terminal to coil, much easier on a Rebel than a Regal as you don't have your head under the pedals :-)

I have had issues where the ignition switch turns OFF the ign when the starter turns :shock: just a wee bit of play, but enough to fool you into thinking ' problems with ign' , TBH it used to fire when released the key from Start position.


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by Oaksey » Sun Dec 27, 2015 6:44 pm

Well, I'm stupid.

Despite knowing the dizzy goes anti clockwise, I'd put the leads on wrong. Swapped leads 2 and 3 round and presto, engine fired into life :)
It needs dynamically timing and the carb needs a service but it sounds rather nice to me :D


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by scimmy ben » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:02 pm

Well Done. You've got to be pleased it wasn't anything serious though...

And that its now fixed :)


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by philhoward » Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:24 pm

Good start! (Excuse the pun)

Still wish I'd bought one years ago - still drawn to one but it isn't going to happen now. It is ironic that fitting disc brakes makes it safer yet insurance companies seem to think otherwise. Sadly, those are the rules...


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by Alan SS1 » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:45 pm

philhoward wrote:Good start! (Excuse the pun)

Still wish I'd bought one years ago - still drawn to one but it isn't going to happen now. It is ironic that fitting disc brakes makes it safer yet insurance companies seem to think otherwise. Sadly, those are the rules...
same insurance issues if you decide to fit a 'roll bar' (as opposed to 'anti-roll bar') on a soft top car tho I thought it would be better than 'windtarmac in hair' for an SS1 :wink:


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by AJL Electronics » Sun Dec 27, 2015 9:47 pm

Surely an SS1 fit could be regarded as a factory spec, so no reason to notify.


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by scimjim » Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:24 pm

Yep - none of mine have the rollbar listed as a modification as it was a factory option.


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by Alan SS1 » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:06 pm

scimjim wrote:Yep - none of mine have the rollbar listed as a modification as it was a factory option.
aye but when it says 'any modifications?' on the form I stupidly said 'yes' :-( as it was fitted after purchase, if it had come with it fitted then in ignorance I would have honestly said 'no' :wink:

in the same way that alloy wheels are a factory option but it hikes the insurance premium :? , no idea other than a way to screw you for more money??? :w

but this is way off topic, just hope Josh can get this one on the road and not spend a small fortune doing it up only to get stiffed at the last hurdle?


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by Oaksey » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:31 pm

Progress has been slow due to slow postage and incorrect bits but I've now got pretty much everything for the front end bar wheel bearings and some brake shoe springs. It's mostly assembled and waiting for the remaining parts

The front outriggers have been fabricated
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I've still got to do the rears then get them all welded onto the chassis rails.

The paint has arrived too so I'm hoping to get the body sanded down once it's back on its wheels :)


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Re: Oaksey's Rebel

Post by windy » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:26 pm

Nice work.
Are you going to run the exhaust pipe through that new front outrigger?
Might be a good idea if you are going to lower the car.



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