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Another plastic car project...

Post by Coelhomaluco » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:38 pm

Just arrived my latest project, was really too good to pass on it so I just bought it... Even if the Scimitar project is a bit stalled for now (gathering parts for the engine conversion and getting my head around all the mods I need to do to the engine to fit), I just had to...

Only got a few pictures of it that I stole off the ebay add as the car came when it was already dark.

So here they go:

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It's a bit incomplete... No engine and gearbox and no interior, but all the rest is basically there... Might just stick some se5 seats on it, get a good used engine and gearbox, mot it and drive it...
Sounds like a plan... Just need to source a engine and gearbox that wont break the bank...


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by scimjim » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:43 pm

Drop it on an SS1 Ti chassis :mrgreen:


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by Coelhomaluco » Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:45 pm

Nahhh, this one is really good, only a couple small spots that need welding on the chassis and that's it. And I would love a car that can do up to 60 mpg...


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by PoshTwit » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:11 am

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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:19 am

You don't bastardise a perfectly good Kitten with a non Reliant engine. The standard powerplant is an ideal match for the car.

I think I have an 850 box lurking under a table somewhere. I can't remember why, but you could have it as "take your chance" if it helps?


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by scimjim » Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:33 am

The standard powerplant is an ideal match for the standard brakes and suspension - which is why they need to go too :-)


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:03 am

But then all you end up with is a "funny car". Keep it standard with tasteful updates.


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by Coelhomaluco » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:49 pm

For what I've read about it, major issue on the suspension is weak top arms (that can be reinforced) and the rear axle not beeing on a good setup (a 4 link should sort it). AJL, that is a great offer, but it is quite a big drive there... Might be a good Sunday stroll with the family. We could arange to pick it up this Sunday, if it suits you.
On a side note, I'm very tempted to stick a small diesel in it, but that would be something to have a long think about it. Right now I would rather have it just done and on the road asap to enjoy it.


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by Marmaduke » Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:36 pm

I'd definitely follow the advice to keep to the reliant power plant - I've seen too many kitten bike engine projects that have ultimately failed and resulted in the loss of what was a good car. A ford cvh powerplant can be made to fit - but not without much work and expense, so frankly its best to stick with the original engine setup.

At the risk of giving everyone a good laugh, I've found my kitten to have a fair turn of speed (at least thats what someone told me this year at the rssoc autotest :wink: ) and the suspension system I've found to be very good - just make sure your front wishbones are solid, be sure to use kitten rear springs (rather than the 3 wheeler ones some folk use) and definately replace the shocks with the adjustable spax ones which the kitten register supplies (see http://www.kitreg.org.uk for details - they are about £250).

There are some very simple mods to get more power out of the little engine - a 4 branch exhaust system for example is fairly easy to obtain and gives about 5bhp extra - which may not sound like much, but for a 40bhp in a 500kg car its a good start. Stopping the car can be improved by adding disk brakes -but you need to change the wheels to 12" ones that'll clear the caliper - any bigger (13") and they can scrape the arches ......

Whatever you decided to do with it, have fun they are great little cars !


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by 747PETE » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:32 pm

Going a little off topic................back in the 1960s my late Dad had a sheet metal works in Woking,Surrey.I was always tinkering there,welding/riveting/tin bashing etc and next door was a carpenter who had a Reliant 3 wheeler.Every year he and his son took that little car all the way to the Isle of Man for the TT races,that car never missed a beat.O.K back on track...............................:-)



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Post by Coelhomaluco » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:48 pm

Marmaduke wrote:I'd definitely follow the advice to keep to the reliant power plant - I've seen too many kitten bike engine projects that have ultimately failed and resulted in the loss of what was a good car. A ford cvh powerplant can be made to fit - but not without much work and expense, so frankly its best to stick with the original engine setup.

At the risk of giving everyone a good laugh, I've found my kitten to have a fair turn of speed (at least thats what someone told me this year at the rssoc autotest :wink: ) and the suspension system I've found to be very good - just make sure your front wishbones are solid, be sure to use kitten rear springs (rather than the 3 wheeler ones some folk use) and definately replace the shocks with the adjustable spax ones which the kitten register supplies (see http://www.kitreg.org.uk for details - they are about £250).

There are some very simple mods to get more power out of the little engine - a 4 branch exhaust system for example is fairly easy to obtain and gives about 5bhp extra - which may not sound like much, but for a 40bhp in a 500kg car its a good start. Stopping the car can be improved by adding disk brakes -but you need to change the wheels to 12" ones that'll clear the caliper - any bigger (13") and they can scrape the arches ......

Whatever you decided to do with it, have fun they are great little cars !
To keep it I had to have it... But I'm really trying to get hold of a cheap one to get it back on the road. From there on it will be a rolling resto (apart from the chassis and suspension that is going to be done asap so I won't have to stop the car for a long period of time to do it then).
Might reinforce the gearbox crossmember while I'm at it to be on the safe side, as well as front wishbones and anything else required.
The disc brake conversion sounds good... Where can I have a look at how it's done? And I take it that mini wheels fit, right?


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by Coelhomaluco » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:59 pm

747PETE wrote:Going a little off topic................back in the 1960s my late Dad had a sheet metal works in Woking,Surrey.I was always tinkering there,welding/riveting/tin bashing etc and next door was a carpenter who had a Reliant 3 wheeler.Every year he and his son took that little car all the way to the Isle of Man for the TT races,that car never missed a beat.O.K back on track...............................:-)

The engine is derived from the side valve austins from the '30s (updated, for sure, but made to last). For a old design, it's almost astonishing the mpg you get out of them... Then again, they weight almost nothing...
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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by peter freeman » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:00 pm

My kitten ( estate ) had mini wolfies on it - look good. My only complaint about the car was the front brakes which needed adjusting every week to keep it straight. If I had another one I would re-do the front suspension and fit discs. I wish I had kept it.



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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by Marmaduke » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:16 pm

Disk brakes can be got from Joe Mason at reliant spares - see http://www.reliantspares.com/category/news/page/3/ for a picture - although a big word of caution - be aware this system does have problems with a lot of 12" wheels as it was originally made for the tempest (a Morgan looking kit car based on the kitten) and a fair few folk have had problems with 13" wheels and the bodyshell !!. There is another system that does fit most 12" wheels (most classic mini 12" ones are fine) that can be fitted to the kitten - although you have to source most of the parts yourself - its best to ask Brian at the kitten register about this as its a members own design. I have a set made up for the cipher with vented disks :twisted: they are all fitted up to a refurbed set of hubs and are just waiting to be fitted :D ).

They do have a very good power to wieght ratio and you only need to find 10bhp more to get the magical 100bhp per ton (and a good exhaust system gets you a good way there) - they are addictive so soon you'll find yourself hooked !


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Re: Another plastic car project...

Post by Coelhomaluco » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:27 pm

Thanks for the link, that only has one point of concern for me, the adapter plate seems a bit thin... Might be from the pics, but I would go for 5 millimeter plate at least.
Also was just now reading about it and some guy that is/was doing a electric kitten ( http://electrikitty.ecumate.com/categor ... onversion/ ) done the conversion on the 4 wheels... Bit overkill, but at least it lists the parts he used and how to do it, so it's a step forward and looks cheap and easy to convert.


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