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Post by 6B and 4A » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:46 pm

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I have managed to get mine out of my 6B. First a word of caution - the tube between the wheel boxes is not available. Neither GW or QRG have it - both suggested that they would need to remove from a scrap car - no idea how much it would cost as it would take some time to remove. QRG offered a long tube for cutting to length and flaring. But this would need a flaring kit - not got one of those. The tube is widely available on the internet (search for Lucas Wiper Tube) as about 1 metre length with the nut to the motor - Rimmers, Holden Electrics, carbuildersolutions about £15 to £25. My tube is bent - I do not think I did it. Dave Jones at GW suggested that this happens when removing the chrome nut, But my tube is bent in the direction of tightening the nut. I found a supplier on ebay (£15) waiting to see what it is like.

I managed to remove my wheel boxes by the following - no guarantee this is the right way or will work for you or others. I could see part of the drivers side wheel box but only one nut before starting - duct removed. I removed the tube from the motor and withdraw the rack. I removed the glovebox and vent duct from the passenger side. With the bonnet open I gently pulled on the tube from the engine bay. I managed to get the passenger wheel box in to view - see photo.
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Now the magic - after trying all methods to undo the nuts I had a eureka moment. The nuts are BA actually 1BA. Once my kind neighbour lent me his set of sockets the wheel box was in my hand (in two halves) and the curved tube pulled from the engine bay. Access was easy through the glove box - I used a four inch extension and a palm spinner. It takes a bit of feel work but not difficult even for my large hands. I then fed a curtain wire along the tube between the wheel boxes and then pushed the tube towards the drivers side. I then managed to pull the tube and drivers wheel box down past the steering column. I reckon about half an hour actual work over about two weeks of frustration,

I am waiting for the new tube to see how to put it back together. I will let you know how I get on. I feel a Technical Note for Slice coming on.

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Post by Terry H » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:34 pm

With the bonnet open I gently pulled on the tube from the engine bay. I managed to get the passenger wheel box in to view
I cant pull the tube through this way, as a matter of fact I have both wheel boxes loose but they wont drop through the holes and I cant push them through either. I have everything removed as you have but something is stopping the wheel boxes dropping through the holes.
Access was easy through the glove box
Looking at the wheel box you have the arrow pointing at your hole is much bigger than mine. If I could get the passenger side wheel box to that position on my car I'd be laughing.
I'm going to put the endoscope in the hole and see if there is something stopping the wheel boxes dropping. Best of luck getting everything back to normal.
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Post by scimjim » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:04 pm

Can you get in with a dermal to make the access hole bigger?


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Post by Terry H » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:18 pm

There's a lot of wires around the hole and going through the hole Jim. Using a dremal is a bad idea for my shaky hands. I'd end up having to rewire the dashboard. The area I need to get access to is behind the central area far behind the radio but it appears to be blocked off at the sides rear of the glove box.
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Post by 6B and 4A » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 am

Terry

Apologies, I thought you were past that stage. The drivers side easily pushed into the cabin - maybe as my tube was bent!! The passenger side was more difficult. I could push the spindle just below the top surface of the fibreglass with my thumb. I needed to use a 1/2" socket extension to push the spindle down and in towards the cabin. I do not recall if I disconnected the tube at the motor at this stage but I would think this helps.

Attached are two photos - one shows the driver's wheel box before any manipulation. One shows the tube with an arrow to the wheel box which is has a fibreglass section directly beneath it. These are before I pulled the tubes to the passenger side as described before.

I guess it is be brave but … Like you I doubt that anything can be got up there to cut away any fibreglass - may be easier to pull the fascia apart !!!!
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Post by Terry H » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:51 am

Thanks Ian,
Your wiring seems different to mine. Where the arrow is in your last photo showing the wheel box I have a large wire harness that refuses to move (shown in my first photo). Annoying really as that's where I would like to shove my hand. I have the bundy tube disconnected from the motor and the Bezels and nuts off the wheel boxes and they are free moving in the holes. Is there a difference between the SE6b and my SE6.
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Post by scimjim » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:04 am

If you don’t want to remove the dash, it sounds like you’re going to have to cut access holes under the bonnet and either make up blanking plates or glass repair?


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Post by philhoward » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:04 am

I now know why my Dad's 6a had a couple of home made cover plates on the vertical faces in the engine bay about where the wheelboxes are - to gain entry.


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Post by 6B and 4A » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:07 am

Terry

Top photo is drivers side bottom photo passenger side. I managed to insert them the wrong way round. I know there are a lot of differences with the 6B e.g. the volt gauge is on the right other than that I thought the dash etc. was pretty much the same.

I am worried now that replacing may not be as easy as removal. Fingers crossed.

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Post by Terry H » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:20 am

I don't think removing the dash would help Jim as this job goes forward passed the bottom of the windscreen. Removing the dash top wouldn't help either as you still have to go down under the windscreen which I believe is blocked off on mine.
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Post by scimjim » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:23 am

It’s still not easy but removing the dash helps a lot :D


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Post by Terry H » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:29 am

Top photo is drivers side bottom photo passenger side.
Yes Ian, your bottom photo (passenger side) is the same as my top photo (passenger side) mine has a much smaller hole and larger wire harness that yours. That's the first time I've ever had anything bigger than someone else. :lol:
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Post by Terry H » Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:05 pm

I now know why my Dad's 6a had a couple of home made cover plates on the vertical faces in the engine bay about where the wheelboxes are - to gain entry.
Any chance of a photo Phil, I have drilled a small hole in the bulkhead about 4 inches from the start of the bulkhead curve and put my endoscope in and can see the wheel box with the wiring harness below it, stopping the wheel box dropping through the hole, the cable will not move. I have about 3 inches distance from the bulkhead to the cable and wheel box so safe to cut a larger hole. I then decided to drill a hole 1 inch above the first to explore further and found another cavity which showed no sign of cable or wheel box :shock:.
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Post by Terry H » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:15 pm

Finally managed to get the wiper wheelbox's out today, what a palaver that was, cut a rectangler hole in the bulkhead to get at the thing and the wiring harness was stopping the wheelbox dropping through the hole. I managed to push the harness back out of the way enough for the wheelbox to drop and pulled it forward to the hole and with help from Tom (demonbluedays) who managed to get the nuts undone and out came wheelbox number one. After a lot of struggling we managed to get the drivers wheelbox over to the hole in the bulkhead and managed to get that one through the bulkhead hole in one piece. The bundy tubes look OK but the passenger wheelbox is seized solid, will be replacing both. Round two will hopefully be tomorrow depending on weather and the condition of my back.
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Post by demonbluedays » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:21 pm

You may have a companion for that...boys wanted to stay another night :roll:


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