SE6a Wiper "Wheel Boxes"

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Post by Johniewalshe » Thu May 24, 2018 9:19 pm

I have a 77, built Aug 76, se6a. I haven't started figuring out how to get it out or what to do with the hole that's left. For now I'll turn up some open larger diameter spacers to clamp it in place. It will require some glass work at a later stage.



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Post by Terry H » Mon Jun 04, 2018 12:39 pm

I now have both the old wiper wheel boxes loose but still cant get a finger in to the wheel box on the passenger side. I've taken the glove box out and the radio but that was no help. I would love to see a video/film how this wiper system was originally assembled and installed in the car. The hole is about 3 inches and has the wiring loom going up through it which takes about half that space. It's not possible to get a hand in to the wheel box unless you have hands the size of a 1 year old.
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Post by Terry H » Mon Jun 04, 2018 6:25 pm

Managed to take a few stills of the hole that is the access to the wheel box from a short video of my mobile entering through the glove box area. As you can see from the first one there's no room with the cable in the way. The second still shows a faint line from top left running diagonally to the bright area, that's the bundy tube. the two short orange lines are thin area's of bodywork below the windscreen, the sun was quite strong today, the bright area is the hole that the wheel box goes through, that's about three to four inches away from the hole. The third photo is what I think is my only option which is to get a hole saw and cut a few holes below the wheel boxes in the recess area behind the carburetor. Any comments welcome as no one has done this job before, what would you do.
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Post by 6B and 4A » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:46 pm

Terry

I have managed to get mine out of my 6B. First a word of caution - the tube between the wheel boxes is not available. Neither GW or QRG have it - both suggested that they would need to remove from a scrap car - no idea how much it would cost as it would take some time to remove. QRG offered a long tube for cutting to length and flaring. But this would need a flaring kit - not got one of those. The tube is widely available on the internet (search for Lucas Wiper Tube) as about 1 metre length with the nut to the motor - Rimmers, Holden Electrics, carbuildersolutions about £15 to £25. My tube is bent - I do not think I did it. Dave Jones at GW suggested that this happens when removing the chrome nut, But my tube is bent in the direction of tightening the nut. I found a supplier on ebay (£15) waiting to see what it is like.

I managed to remove my wheel boxes by the following - no guarantee this is the right way or will work for you or others. I could see part of the drivers side wheel box but only one nut before starting - duct removed. I removed the tube from the motor and withdraw the rack. I removed the glovebox and vent duct from the passenger side. With the bonnet open I gently pulled on the tube from the engine bay. I managed to get the passenger wheel box in to view - see photo.
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Now the magic - after trying all methods to undo the nuts I had a eureka moment. The nuts are BA actually 1BA. Once my kind neighbour lent me his set of sockets the wheel box was in my hand (in two halves) and the curved tube pulled from the engine bay. Access was easy through the glove box - I used a four inch extension and a palm spinner. It takes a bit of feel work but not difficult even for my large hands. I then fed a curtain wire along the tube between the wheel boxes and then pushed the tube towards the drivers side. I then managed to pull the tube and drivers wheel box down past the steering column. I reckon about half an hour actual work over about two weeks of frustration,

I am waiting for the new tube to see how to put it back together. I will let you know how I get on. I feel a Technical Note for Slice coming on.

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Post by Terry H » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:34 pm

With the bonnet open I gently pulled on the tube from the engine bay. I managed to get the passenger wheel box in to view
I cant pull the tube through this way, as a matter of fact I have both wheel boxes loose but they wont drop through the holes and I cant push them through either. I have everything removed as you have but something is stopping the wheel boxes dropping through the holes.
Access was easy through the glove box
Looking at the wheel box you have the arrow pointing at your hole is much bigger than mine. If I could get the passenger side wheel box to that position on my car I'd be laughing.
I'm going to put the endoscope in the hole and see if there is something stopping the wheel boxes dropping. Best of luck getting everything back to normal.
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Post by scimjim » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:04 pm

Can you get in with a dermal to make the access hole bigger?


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Post by Terry H » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:18 pm

There's a lot of wires around the hole and going through the hole Jim. Using a dremal is a bad idea for my shaky hands. I'd end up having to rewire the dashboard. The area I need to get access to is behind the central area far behind the radio but it appears to be blocked off at the sides rear of the glove box.
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Post by 6B and 4A » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:19 am

Terry

Apologies, I thought you were past that stage. The drivers side easily pushed into the cabin - maybe as my tube was bent!! The passenger side was more difficult. I could push the spindle just below the top surface of the fibreglass with my thumb. I needed to use a 1/2" socket extension to push the spindle down and in towards the cabin. I do not recall if I disconnected the tube at the motor at this stage but I would think this helps.

Attached are two photos - one shows the driver's wheel box before any manipulation. One shows the tube with an arrow to the wheel box which is has a fibreglass section directly beneath it. These are before I pulled the tubes to the passenger side as described before.

I guess it is be brave but … Like you I doubt that anything can be got up there to cut away any fibreglass - may be easier to pull the fascia apart !!!!
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Post by Terry H » Sat Jun 09, 2018 8:51 am

Thanks Ian,
Your wiring seems different to mine. Where the arrow is in your last photo showing the wheel box I have a large wire harness that refuses to move (shown in my first photo). Annoying really as that's where I would like to shove my hand. I have the bundy tube disconnected from the motor and the Bezels and nuts off the wheel boxes and they are free moving in the holes. Is there a difference between the SE6b and my SE6.
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Post by scimjim » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:04 am

If you don’t want to remove the dash, it sounds like you’re going to have to cut access holes under the bonnet and either make up blanking plates or glass repair?


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Post by philhoward » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:04 am

I now know why my Dad's 6a had a couple of home made cover plates on the vertical faces in the engine bay about where the wheelboxes are - to gain entry.


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Post by 6B and 4A » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:07 am

Terry

Top photo is drivers side bottom photo passenger side. I managed to insert them the wrong way round. I know there are a lot of differences with the 6B e.g. the volt gauge is on the right other than that I thought the dash etc. was pretty much the same.

I am worried now that replacing may not be as easy as removal. Fingers crossed.

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Post by Terry H » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:20 am

I don't think removing the dash would help Jim as this job goes forward passed the bottom of the windscreen. Removing the dash top wouldn't help either as you still have to go down under the windscreen which I believe is blocked off on mine.
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Post by scimjim » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:23 am

It’s still not easy but removing the dash helps a lot :D


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Post by Terry H » Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:29 am

Top photo is drivers side bottom photo passenger side.
Yes Ian, your bottom photo (passenger side) is the same as my top photo (passenger side) mine has a much smaller hole and larger wire harness that yours. That's the first time I've ever had anything bigger than someone else. :lol:
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