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Post by Oldconn » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:13 pm

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I'm almost ready for the big heave-ho , but - can it be done without moving the upper steering hydraulic pipe, the one with a yellow paeg on it? If this pipe has to be moved, how on earth does one get to the fixed end to slacken the union? I haven't any spanners which will get into the confined space near the end of the rack. Any thoughts, please?
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Post by Roger Pennington » Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:35 pm

I can't answer the engine question I'm afraid. However, those pipes are a bit tricky - you really have to do them in the right order, I find. Having said that, I think that pipe is actually the easiest, and the one I would normally do first, to make more space for the others. I used a flare spanner similar to this (check the size though - I've forgotten what size it was, but it may well have been imperial not metric).


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Post by Oldconn » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:49 pm

Thanks Roger. We used to call them crowfoot spanners, and I have a few, but the problem is the proximity to the chassis. There simply isn't enough room to get a spanner in ther and swing it. I am thinking about un-clamping the steering rack to move it forwards off its saddles; but that would mean I couldn't put the wheels back on to roll the car away after lifting the engine! Catch 22!


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Post by Coupe Racing » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:51 pm

Is it worth undoing the rack and pulling the whole assembly forwards once the steering shaft has been disconnected :oops:


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Post by Oldconn » Sat Oct 20, 2018 4:58 pm

That's what I am looking at. I would have to put it back after the lift in order to roll the car away - I am using a fixed vertical block& tackle , so the car has to roll away while I swap engines on the hook, then roll the car into position again . Need wheels on and steering straight. I suppose that's the only way to do it , in my situation . Life gets tedious, don't it? :D


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Post by Coupe Racing » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:13 pm

I don't recall a problem even with PAS
With the engine mounts disconnected and the engine at a slight angle then support the bellhousing and the engine ought to clear the rack


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Post by AJL Electronics » Sat Oct 20, 2018 5:27 pm

I haven't had an issue either. It should clear without having to mess with the rack. Don't forget that once free, the engine can go back a little as well as forwards.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:21 pm

Oldconn wrote:
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Thanks Roger. We used to call them crowfoot spanners, and I have a few, but the problem is the proximity to the chassis. There simply isn't enough room to get a spanner in ther and swing it. I am thinking about un-clamping the steering rack to move it forwards off its saddles; but that would mean I couldn't put the wheels back on to roll the car away after lifting the engine! Catch 22!
Ah, the ones I call "crows-foot" are the ones like sockets which are used with ratchets etc. :) Anyway, I'm a bit perplexed, I did it myself only a short while ago, when the crimped flexible section at the other end of the pipe sprung a leak, and it wasn't any particular problem - certainly no need to move the rack or anything like that?


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Post by Oldconn » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:05 pm

The issue is not with the rack, but the pipe which is about five inches above it. This pipe was clamped along the turret support, which has been removed because it was obviously in the way. Everything looks as though it is factory-original , so it begins to look as though this is another anomaly on my car, which we already know has a 6B pump.
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Post by Roger Pennington » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:14 pm

I don't think there's anything non-factory original for a 6a in your pipes (or indeed your PAS pump brackets, as far as I can see) I presume the 6b type pump and the later 6a one are compatible so will interchange. My pipes run along the cross-brace exactly as yours does. I can't see any anomaly except the type of pump that's been fitted?


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Post by TrevorG » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:21 pm

Hi....I'm at exactly the same point as yourself and have already removed the pipes. Yes, engine and box don't clear them easily so they have to come off if you don't want to damage them. Now the nasty bit, even with a crowsfoot spanner on the nut, my pipes had corroded onto the back of the nuts, so as I undid them the pipes twisted, nothing i could do but order new pipes. Oh well!

Good luck with yours. You may want to hire an engine adjusting cradle so you can cant at the right angle, or have a couple of other helpers to do it manually as you lift....the angle looks to be quite a lot to clear the nose top edge whilst the gearbox is still in the tunnel.

I've not done a scimitar before, but plenty of other fibreglass cars and they are not forgiving of being touched by a lifted engine.



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Post by TrevorG » Sat Oct 20, 2018 7:23 pm

Should have said, my late 6a is identical to yours



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Post by Oldconn » Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:24 am

Thanks for all the input,chaps. Having slept on the problem, I now think the sensible thing to do (sensible? me?) is to separate the engine from the gearbox in situ, rather than trying to lift them together. That way I shouldn't need the extreme tilt , which would also necessitate having the car high off the ground.


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Post by TrevorG » Sun Oct 21, 2018 11:29 am

Good luck....keep us posted. At least the engines aren't as heavy as a tractor, but you cannot split a car in half so easily!



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Post by Oldconn » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:37 pm

Ha-Ha, right! The last engine I did, about five years ago, was a 5-litre, 6-cylinder DAF - now that's heavy; but it was in a boat so we had a straight lift through the cabin roof.


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