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Post by Ian Lock » Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:26 pm

Scimmymike is wrong you can't take any car on the road with a mileometer not working let alone get a New MOT he didn't say it wasn't working. Also he didn't say the rear hatch wouldn't close or that all 3 keys open the door including the 1 that starts it, and that when it rained there was more water inside than out. The gear selector moves around very loose. and that the car has done 134155 miles. All I'm saying is I don't want anyone else to see this car with rose tinted glasses



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Post by Serge » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:43 pm

The speedometer/odometer is not tested during an MOT test, the mileage is recorded for the new certificate and that is all that is required, it doesn't matter if the mileage is the same as the previous year or even if it is less than the last test mileage, the tester cannot fail a car on a mileage reading error.


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Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:56 pm

Chapter 6.7 of the MOT inspection manual

Speedometer

Information

This inspection applies to all vehicles first used on or after 01 October 1937 other than those in Class 3.

If the dial glass is cracked, it is not a Reason for Rejection, providing:
• there is no possibility of misreading the speedometer or
• there is no possibility fouling of the indicator needle or
• the cracked glass does not create a safety hazard.

A Tachograph is an acceptable alternative to a speedometer providing it satisfies the requirements of this inspection.

Method of Inspection

1. Check that a speedometer is fitted.
2. Check the condition of the speedometer.
3. Check that the speedometer can be illuminated.

Reason for Rejection

1. Speedometer not fitted.
2. Speedometer incomplete, clearly inoperative or the dial glass broken or missing.
3. The speedometer cannot be illuminated.


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Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 24, 2018 2:59 pm

And the draft version due out in a couple of months

7.8 Speedometer
This inspection applies to vehicles first used on or after 1 October 1937 having a maximum speed exceeding 25 mph other than Class 3 vehicles.
If a road test is required, for instance to carry out a decelerometer test, the operation of the speedometer must be checked whilst driving. Otherwise, it should only be rejected if it is obviously not operational.
There is no requirement for a speedometer to illuminate on vehicles with no front or rear position lamps or that have such lamps permanently disconnected, painted over or masked.
A tachograph is an acceptable alternative to a speedometer providing it satisfies the requirements of this inspection
Defect
Category
(a) Speedometer not fitted where one is required - Major
(b) Speedometer:
(i) operation impaired - Minor
(ii) not working - Major
(c) Speedometer:
(i) not sufficiently illuminated - Minor
(ii) not illuminated - Major


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Post by Serge » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:12 pm

I've not seen a road test conducted as part of an MOT for at least 20 odd years when we used a Tapley meter!
If for no other reason it should have failed the MOT on incorrect spacing on the registration plate! :shock:


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Post by scimjim » Sat Feb 24, 2018 3:21 pm

It’s quite obvious on the brake rollers if the speedo is working or not. Milometer is a different matter entirely and isn’t tested at MOT but I expect it’s in C&U regs.


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Post by Serge » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:43 am

Apparently brake test rollers run at 4 mph, I looked at the speedo on a car being tested yesterday and the needle didn't move!
I guess if the tester drove a car onto the ramp or the rollers at a speed above 5/10 mph it would register whilst he was driving it but would they even look/notice? :o


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Post by scimjim » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:46 am

Possibly not - but that wasn’t the question :D

In the case of a Scimitar I would expect the needle to bounce :D

My daily has a digital readout which definitely registers.

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Post by Serge » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:57 am

'The question raised was 'How come the mileage on the clock was the same as the MOT 2015. Meaning it had been in a barn In my view it hadn't even gone for the new MOT so how did it get one ?'
I thought my posts had answered that one! :wink:


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Post by Serge » Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:38 am

Yep, that would account for the odometer reading being the same as the last test Martin. :D


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Post by gtcse8 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:50 pm

And why the non running issue was not noticed, although the tester HAD to HAVE the engine running for the brake tests or no servo operation which is a fail, and the engine running for the steering inspection or no PAS working, which is also a fail.


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Post by Serge » Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:40 pm

Seems that it's been returned to the seller and is up for sale again! :shock:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RELIANT-SCIM ... SwqfZaf041


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