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Post by Miles Burnett » Sat May 11, 2019 9:50 pm

I carefully packed and labelled parts taken off the car but have mislaid :oops: the mount for and the numberplate light. Also the twin reversing lights ( not the surface mount type but the early type where the bulb holder recesses into the body). I'll 'phone Nigel on Monday but as it's Saturday evening I thought I'd just try on here :D .All the best.



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Post by Oaksey » Sat May 11, 2019 9:55 pm

Graham still has NOS number plate light brackets and they're about £7 IIRC


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Post by Miles Burnett » Sat May 11, 2019 10:08 pm

Thanks Josh. I’ll try Nigel and go from there. At least looks like they are available. The reversing lights unfortunately look like they might be rather more expensive ..... :shock:



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Post by peter freeman » Sat May 11, 2019 10:45 pm

have you tried looking at the classic car electric sites



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Post by Miles Burnett » Sat May 11, 2019 10:55 pm

That’s worth a try.👍



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Post by scimjim » Sat May 11, 2019 11:02 pm

I know Steve Bomers spent ages looking for reverse lights (they’re not DB5 Lucas L661) and eventually made new backs using original lenses.


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Post by Miles Burnett » Sun May 12, 2019 7:43 am

I did see that the DB ones are different ,having always thought Astons used the same .The only ones which appear similar are Hillman Hunter.....It’s grey and cold outside so that could be the excuse for serious internet searching :D



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Post by scimjim » Sun May 12, 2019 8:34 am

They do look like Lucas L653 from the Hillman Hunter but what about the e-type Lucas L595 (without the Jag chrome housing it mounts on shown in the last picture) - also used on a Marcos, which is how I was led to this page from etypeuk.com:

Reverse Lamp Assembly

The Lucas model 595 reversing lamp was commonly used by Jaguar, MG, Triumph, Rolls-Royce, and Bentley. Two variants were installed on the early E-type; part number 52570, which employed an amber lens to meet the requirements of the French market, and part number 52567 with a clear lens for everywhere else.
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The lens appears in at least three variants:
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The lens on early cars says only LUCAS L595 across the top and MADE IN ENGLAND across the bottom:
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Later lenses had additional information inscribed on the left side. Uppermost was the capital letter A in a small square box. Below that, a round area inscribed with the E11 EEC logo dating it to post 1973 production. And at the bottom appears the number 7319:
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The third version is likely what you would receive if you bought a reproduction or even a boxed OEM lens on eBay. It is additionally marked on the right side SAE RP 70 (USA certificate) and the E11 logo indicating it was made after 1973:
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The lamp body is stamped in the same manner as the lens:
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The only lens which should be on the S1 E-Type will be the one with 'Lucas L595' and 'Made in England' markings. All others post date the car production. Concours entrants please note!

The body is date stamped on the right. In this case, 9/61:
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The lamp body on early cars was Jaguar part number 8720 and Lucas part number 54570992. It is distinguishable by the single green/brown wire and external female bullet connector for the earthing lead.
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The single wire and cable entry grommet 8719 is verified in figure 48 on page 307 of J30:
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Interestingly, the 1961 Lucas catalog for Jaguar, whilst ending with a four page supplemental listing of parts for the new E-type, makes no mention whatever of the reversing lamp assembly. However, the relevant section of the 1962 catalog, excerpted above, shows the body part number as 54573143. And the body pictured clearly has two leads, supply and earth, within a sleeve. As well, the cable entry grommet has been deleted. So at some point in 1962 cars were fitted with this updated version.

A rubber gasket (8717) seals the body to the housing, while gasket 8716 seals the lens to the body. This gasket is often omitted from restoration rubber kits, but is available from XKs Unlimited:
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The body is secured to the housing with two screws (UFS.419/3H) and shakeproof washers (C.723.A). The two screws securing the lens and ring to the body (8718) carry Lucas part number 54111011 and are chrome plated:
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Two small rubber washers (6524) seal the lens screws. These are identical to the washers used to seal the front and rear signal/brake lens securing screws and equally essential. Many cars have cracked reversing lenses, likely because these rubber washers perished or went missing when the lamp failed and was replaced. As posted elsewhere, the washers are M4 9mmx4mmx1.5mm, available here:
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The restored reversing lamp and housing:
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Dating the Lens - David added:

The lens markings indicate beginning of production. E11 means the lens complies with Economic Commission for Europe regulations (E) and belongs to the UK (11). These regulations were applied after the UK joined the EEC on 1 January 1973. The lens with SAE North American markings (Society of Automotive and Aerospace Engineers) has RL (reverse lens) and 70 (year the regulation applied from) - in this case 1970. So the SAE RL70 lens would not have been introduced before 1970 and the E11 lens would not have been introduced before 1973. Therefore the only correct Factory Fit lens would be the one with only 'Lucas L595' and 'Made in England' markings.
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You can find information on the lens codes here: https://www.danielsternlighting.com/tec ... codes.html


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Post by Miles Burnett » Sun May 12, 2019 10:25 am

Jim, looking at the handbook seems that is exactly the one. Thanks for posting the photos, a great help and there are a pair on Ebay currently so looks like problem solved. This'll teach me to store items carefully. E type possibly slightly cheaper than Aston..... :roll: !



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Post by scimjim » Sun May 12, 2019 10:49 am

Also possibly Herald, spitfire, GT6? And perhaps rarer - the standard 20 van :D


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Post by Miles Burnett » Sun May 12, 2019 11:05 am

No no! Too much info :w :lol:



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Post by roymck » Mon May 13, 2019 8:31 am

Yes Jim , early Triumph herald and one you missed Vauxhall FB Victor reversing lamps



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