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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:33 pm

So update. I checked earth's, found one disconnected. I've tidied another and fitted additional ones. Tried and same result, just a clunk. So following Phil's thinking I removed the starter motor with the intention of fitting the spare from the garage (bench tested). But it's got a connection missing. See photo on the right is the one removed from the car on the right the spare, the m8 stud is missing?


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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:39 pm

OK I'm losing it. I checked the spare using jump leads. I connected them as shown below (just touching the positive on) and it spun. I was double checking and checking the one removed from the car and no nothing. Ahhhhhh


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Post by philhoward » Fri Apr 27, 2018 1:56 pm

The smaller stud is (from memory) for the ballast resistor bypass which I'm pretty sure your car doesn't have anyway.

I'd say the starter motor you were trying on the car is duff?


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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:15 pm

So just to muddy the water, I'm putting a ballast resistor back on because the electronic ignition kit is for a ballasted ignition. My concern at the mo is that neither starters are spinning when I try and bench test them.


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Post by philhoward » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:21 pm

Connecting 12V to the outer M8 stud (not the one your jump lead appears to be connected to in the above pic) shouldn't make the starter spin (with an earth connected, of course). It will only work when you bridge 12V to the spade terminal to activate the solenoid. Based on your previous testing in-car, it may only clunk which means either a dirty solenoid contact or the main motor is dead (burnt out windings and/or brush issues).

If both solenoids click on the bench, you can swap them over - fiddly but doable - which then gives you the ballast bypass function.


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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:36 pm

Thank you for your patience with me Phil. So just to be clear if I test the non ballast starter motor in the same manner it should spin?

What's got me confused is I tested as pictured and the motor span? The spare motor that is.


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Post by philhoward » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:41 pm

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Thank you for your patience with me Phil. So just to be clear if I test the non ballast starter motor in the same manner it should spin?
Yep. I just added labels to that one as it had all the connections; from a "spinning" point of view, they work identical.

What did you do with the old solenoid on the inner wing?...


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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:43 pm

I've tested as directed and the starter I removed spins, I'm refiting and will report back. Just wanted to save Phil answering another stupid question.
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Post by scimjim » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:44 pm

connecting to the inner stud tests the starter motor - but not the solenoid.


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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:44 pm

...... To late. Solenoid from inner wing now in box of bits in the garage.


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Post by philhoward » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:46 pm

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...... To late. Solenoid from inner wing now in box of bits in the garage.
Fair enough - I assume therefore you just joined (or replaced) the main battery feed and extended the white/red wire? I think we had this conversation a while back :mrgreen:


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Post by Gillsfan » Fri Apr 27, 2018 3:26 pm

We did indeed and I believe we agreed that I extended the red/white to the spare connection on starter. I've had a battery cable made up which runs to the starter and the small stud is connected to the coil. All correct?

Anyway after all that the starter is back on and....... It's clunking again. Ignition light dims when I turn the key. I'm jumping it from my focus to rule out battery problems.

Help

Please

It's driving me made.


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