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Post by Benc » Sun Mar 04, 2018 3:38 pm

No problem Andy

As it’s a road car then going without roundals appeals.

Having said that I think the removal of numbers after each event means roundals are probably the way to go.

I was thinking of fitting rectangular ones, remove the self adhesive from say 1-2” around the edge perhaps so that the roundals could be easier to remove in the future



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Post by scimjim » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:07 pm

They come off quite easily with a bit of heat - but can take some paint off.
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Post by Corky » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:14 pm

I’ll be using white numbers against my blue doors this year.

I find that if I put plenty of wax polish on before the numbers, they come off ok the following day. If you leave them for too long, it’s a much trickier job.

Roundels are a nightmare to get off without damaging the paint. You need to warm them up with a hair dryer, and take your time to slowly peel them off. There are sprays that can help too.


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Post by Nick » Sun Mar 04, 2018 4:42 pm

With my MR2 I plan to use magnetic roundels :D

(I'll get my coat..........)

I did fit white roundels to my SS1 as the numbers removed the clear varnish over the silver paint. Never tried to remove the roundels
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Post by reliant-reviver » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:47 pm

Do NOT do as you have suggested and stick the roundels on by their perimeter only. Paul Madison did this and found to his cost that it caused blistering to the paintwork behind the unstuck sections of roundel that were holding moisture against the paint.

I'm hoping mine will come off ok later in the year, the paint was given several applications of wax before they went on. The roundels them selves are now pretty manky looking from all the numbers that have been on and off in the last couple of years.
I used the rectangles supplied by Merlin Motorsport, but if I was doing it again I would probably cut them down or buy suitable vinyl. The blue book essentially does specify the size as the numbers are supposed to be a certain height and there is a stated amount of border to these numbers which should be present, with a 3 digit number being the largest you would use.

But then you see people sticking hand drawn numbers on A4 paper in the back windows so....


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Post by swoakes » Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:55 pm

I'd put numbers directly onto the doors with a good polish before.

Remove numbers as soon as you can after the event. A hairdryer helps. Like Corky I have no use for one otherwise :wink:


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Post by scimjim » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:08 pm

J4 Page 147
Competition Numbers [Chart 4]
4.1. Numbers must be displayed in a durable manner and be black, of a minimum size of 23cm high with stroke width of a minimum of 3.8cm on a white oblong background measuring not less than 48cm x 33cm which must extend at least 5cm beyond the outline of the numbers. Alternatively, the numbers may be displayed on a white circular background provided that the background extends at least 5cm beyond the outline of the numbers.
4.1.1. If on a white vehicle a background of the dimensions in 4.1. must be delineated by a continuous black line, except for cars of period A to E.
4.1.2. Numbers must be displayed on each side of the vehicle (front doors, alongside the cockpit or on rear wing end plates) and on the foremost part of the nose. did one of the venues insist on the nose number one year?
4.1.3. Certain types of competition have special requirements which will appear in SRs (Subject to approval by the MSA) (see U.17.25 to 17.28 for Kart Numbers and Q11.4. for Circuit Racing).
4.1.4. Note. Consideration should be given at all times to the positive identification of vehicles by the competition organisers, whose decisions will be final.
4.1.5. The numbers must be of the ‘Classic’ type as shown below:
1–2–3–4–5–6–7–8–9–0.
4.1.6. In International events on both front wings an illustration of the national flag(s) of the driver(s) as well as the name(s) of the latter shall be displayed. Minimum height of both flag(s) and name(s) shall be 4cm.
4.1.7. Any means of identifying individual cars during a competition MUST be removed at the finish of the event.
4.1.8. Race organisers may use three figured numbers subject only to:
(a) the specific approval of the Chief Timekeeper
(b) that the white background respects the requirement of 4.1. above, which must extend at least 5cm beyond the outline of the numbers.


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Post by Corky » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:14 pm

For sprints & HC, they don’t enforce that. As long as the starter can make your number out, they don’t seem to be bothered at all.

Shelsley ask for a bonnet number, as the starter sits high up above the line looking down at your car.


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Post by swoakes » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:16 pm

Prescott is the only one that asks for the front number I think Jim. Edit or was it Shelsley :roll:

Despite what it says in the book never had a problem with black numbers directly on a white car.

Sabre had a white rectangle on the doors with black numbers.
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Post by chrisgallacher » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:17 pm

Yes indeed, Shelsley Walsh insisted on a nose/bonnet number as well as the door numbers a few years ago. Of course I hadn't clocked this so it was out with the insulating tape:
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Post by Nick » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:45 pm

My car behind Chris, yes only shelsley want front numbers.


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Post by Benc » Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:55 pm

So pretty straight forward then :w

I’ll give the number to heavily polished door a go.

Cheers for the input

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Post by richardvernon » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:04 pm

One other option might be the Frost peelable liquid wrap paint item code S700(ntdwm) - about a tenner for an aerosol of the stuff. Not used it myself and it would depend on number of coats needed and whether numbers would stick to it ok( or be able to be removed so different ones could be used).Might save door paint though.


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Post by scimjim » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:20 pm

I suspect the numbers would pull plasti-dip off when you removed them.


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Ben's SS1 - SSF novice sprint car drivers side trailing arm buggered

Post by Benc » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:35 pm

Right chaps Curborough practice day (morning) was great :oops: anyone got a trailing arm drivers side??
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Croft only 2 weeks so strip and replace at weekend if. I can get one.

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