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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by scimjim » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:01 am

MikeT wrote:2 bulbs? you mean there are 2 bulbs behind the orange warning light in my pic above Jim?
No - I mean the warning lamp next to it should light up too.


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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by scimjim » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:04 am

Perhaps read this again?
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if the pads or handbrake switch give an earth path, the pad light will come on.

if the pressure switch on the MC or handbrake switch give an earth path, the brake fail light will come on.

so the handbrake switch is a bulb test for the pad and brake fail lights - if they're both on you either have your handbrake on or your pads are worn AND your system pressure is low.
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Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), 1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by AJL Electronics » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:41 am

Rather than refit the W plate, you could fit gauzes. Might be easier and apparently more efficient.


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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by JoeySully » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:48 am

these are the 2 lights ;)

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Post by MikeT » Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:44 am

scimjim wrote:Perhaps read this again?
scimjim wrote:
if the pads or handbrake switch give an earth path, the pad light will come on.

if the pressure switch on the MC or handbrake switch give an earth path, the brake fail light will come on.

so the handbrake switch is a bulb test for the pad and brake fail lights - if they're both on you either have your handbrake on or your pads are worn AND your system pressure is low.
Thanks Jim - I'd (mis)read your note a few times - but it makes sense now, cheers.

I hadn't picked up on there being 2 warning lamps - a picture paints a thousand words etc... thanks Joey.

Regarding the carb, I've ordered a new base plate, as mine is a bit knocked about, and missing the 'W' plate.

I've also (well, Steve has) made a coupe of gauzes up. I'm going to fit the standard plate with the W first, get it running with a standard(ish) setup, then see what differences the gauzes make.

I've actually fitted the carb with the old plate - I was too impatient to see it running - and it's definitely an improvement. It pulls a lot better than before, but I'm sure more can be done by a proper tune up, which I'll get done after the last wheel bearing is done.

Anyway - pictures..

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Interesting to note, that even the brand new carbs don't come with the fuel pipes pinned. I was reluctant drill the body of a brand new carb - if I drilled too far and go through the fuel pipe, that was going to cause more problems than it solved. So, a simple cable tie around the fuel pipe clips and the body of the carb will stop the falling out. I'd like a way of doing similar, but in a less bodge-like fashion.

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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by AJL Electronics » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:07 am

All modern carburettors are OK. It isn't something you should need to worry about Mike.


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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by JoeySully » Tue Apr 28, 2015 9:17 am

I thought you were supposed to drill the fuel pipe


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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by oldynewby » Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:11 am

Yes you are. The pin is supposed to go through the main body casting and through the inlet "stub" to prevent the "stub" from falling out of the carb body. the end of the pin should be poking through the fuel pipe, actually in the fuel path. In other words you need to drill through two bits of metal. After it's pressed of hammered in the "pinion" end of the Mills pin grips the alloy of the carb body to prevent it falling out.

Or you can Araldite the "stub" into the body.


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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by MikeT » Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:50 pm

Thanks chaps - all makes sense.

I'm happy to leave it as is I think - as Andy says, there shouldn't be a problem with new carbs, and I've cable tied it together for good measure.

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Post by MikeT » Wed Apr 29, 2015 7:58 pm

Evening all -

Well, I got the new spacer, and it's not what I expected...

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(image borrowed from google)

Thinner than it should be, no take-off for the oil breather, no 'W' plate, and no bridge between the 2 holes :(

Anyone got the proper thing for sale?

Cheers,

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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by scimjim » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:50 pm

eBay special? Doesn't look like it's even a gasket for a DGAS!!


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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by MikeT » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:21 pm

No, although it might as well have been an ebay special. I bought it from Aldon Automotive - a Weber specialist (not knocking them at all, they didn't put me under any obligation, and were as helpful as they could be).

I've also mailed Weber direct, they can't offer any help, but wished me luck :/

I'll take a pic of mine later - although it's very similar to the one above (I borrowed the image above from Google).

I might be chasing a problem that's not there to be honest - it's running fine, no hunting at idle, it's just that I noticed that the base was very slightly warped (but you know what it's like when you're keen to play with a new toy ;) ). It's just that it doesn't have the 'W' in the middle, and my feeling is that more of the fuel / air mix is going to cylinders 2 + 5.

Following my disappointing power run last month, I'd like to get it set up as close to standard as I can (notwithstanding the fact it's got a K+N / tubular manifolds fitted), then I can mess about with gauzes etc later on.

Anyway - I've rambled enough.

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Re: 1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by scimjim » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:14 am

I think I have a spare somewhere.


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1978 SE6a rolling restoration project

Post by MikeT » Thu May 28, 2015 10:32 am

Morning all,

Thanks to Jim, I now have a flat spacer, with a W plate fitted, all running ok. It's booked in with Hi-Tec now to have the carb tweaked o the rolling road... I've got it set as good as I can (I think) - there's a bit of a flat spot when accellerating when it's cold - but do they all do that?

I've also changed the flasher unit for a new one, so both indicators flash at the proper rate now. 2 quid from an autojumble - bargain. The horn has also now started working since fitting that. Not sure if there's a loose connection, either way, it still needs looking at.

I also bought a rear boot panel from Terry (Caravan1983 on here) - it's in great condition, and I've painted it satin black now. It looks great, but I'm not sure the primer has taken to it, as I can scratch it off with a finger nail :(. It's made from fibreglass - any suggestions what to prime it with?

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I also had a letter back from DVLA yesterday after filling the V888 form in - makes for interesting reading. It was registered to a company for it's first 3 years, and had a private plate fitted of '1 AUG' (which is for sale at the moment, at 30k :O)

A Doctor then bought it, who had the green stripe applied, it's been to Leeds, Plymouth, a few places I've never heard of, and lived local to me in the year or so before I bought it.

I'll write to all the previous owners, as it would be nice to get any history, photos, stories, or whatever - it's anyone's guess as to whether they're still at the same address though.

5 quid well spent, although it's not a quick service (2 months) it's still good to have.

Cheers,

Mike.
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