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Post by Roger Pennington » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:09 pm

Yes it is (I believe) Metro as well, but they're a bit old now and I think Land Rover is the most recent user, and seems to have been usually quoted in the past as a source of switches (especially at more modest prices?) :)


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Post by td99 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:24 pm

Whatever you do, make sure all power lines to dip and fog/Aux are done by relay, thereby avoiding excess current through switch and connectors as well as getting full 12V to the actual lamps. (Dip goes as standard via about 5 switches and relays) so relay that as well.


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Post by manny » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:24 am

Good day all,

and thank you all for the advice- i think i have a spare switch and some relays- pity its happened during this season!. car is effectively out of action
All my instrument panel light work except the battery light, the brakes work as do hazzards\indicators, and AUX flash - i will try spare switch first and get a voltmeter across the battery ...fingers crossed.. :(

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Post by manny » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:19 am

Good day all,

well - inspected this morning... and after 30 mins with a jewelers screwdriver
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quite impressive!!...but i noted that i can switch on the dips without the key near the ignition...so my dip light relay may be toast as well?
So the lights still function - but i now need to re-investigate the battery light and issue above..

and its raining..


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Post by Alan SS1 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:45 pm

I think that switch is toast?

and taken out the multi plug into the bargain :-(

Note that 'as standard' there was NO relay on the dip!!

switch WAS Metro, but any BL/ AR of that vintage will fit, or fit somat that fits the bill :-)


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Post by manny » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:04 pm

Alan SS1 wrote:
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I think that switch is toast?

and taken out the multi plug into the bargain :-(

Note that 'as standard' there was NO relay on the dip!!

switch WAS Metro, but any BL/ AR of that vintage will fit, or fit somat that fits the bill :-)
i have a spare - but i thought there was dip inhibit relay - that prevented the raised lights until electrics were fully on...'Headlamp inhibit relay' ..according to the wire circuit


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Post by CNHSS1 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:49 pm

Classic range rover headlamp switch too


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Post by manny » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:26 pm

Good day all

All fixed ( without relay), l cleaned up the spare as much as possible along with the ignition lamp track - using some old school Brasso
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All is well again , I will investigate the relay option next weekend

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Post by Alan SS1 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:46 pm

the inhibit relay does control current to the dip, but it STILL passes through the switch on the column!! (I think :wink: )


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Post by manny » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:31 pm

Alan SS1 wrote:
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the inhibit relay does control current to the dip, but it STILL passes through the switch on the column!! (I think :wink: )
I fully understand the need for another relay to isolate the light switch...how ever the Headlight inhibit relay...

the purpose of that relay would be to prevent the dips being energised unless the ignition was at power 'on' position ... but my lamps raise with the electrics 'off' pretty sure they should not raise in the electrics off state....is that correct\normal..??

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Post by scimjim » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:37 pm

No, the headlights shouldn’t raise without the ignition being on.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:07 pm

manny wrote:
Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:31 pm
how ever the Headlight inhibit relay...

the purpose of that relay would be to prevent the dips being energised unless the ignition was at power 'on' position ...
Someone may jump on me from a great height..... :wink: but I don't think that's strictly correct. I *think* the inhibit relay is there to prevent the lights coming on, while the pods are still "down", i.e. when you switch the headlights on *with the ignition on*, first the pods rise, then the inhibit relay switches, allowing the current to flow through to the lights themselves.


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Post by Alan SS1 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:08 pm

scimjim wrote:
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No, the headlights shouldn’t raise without the ignition being on.
but they do rapidly go back down again if you twirl the wee white (edit black wrong car) knob with the ignition off :wink:
keep fingers well clear!!! for safety the 480 has a link to the bonnet so that it stops you chopping your fingers off, but if the lights are sticky a bit of 'help' gets them under way again usually as I have jammed my pocket knife into the bonnet catch to over ride the switch :shock: !!!


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Post by scimjim » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:19 pm

Yes, they’ll retract without ignition but the question (and answer) was about raising :D


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Post by td99 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:58 pm

Re using a direct supply to dipped lights via a relay to save wear on llights switch...
Intercept the supply from fuse box to dipped bean and use this to power relay supplying 12V to dipped beam.
You can do this by using the wiring from light switch to power the relay and use the existing fuses for the relay/lights too. Need to get to the wiring to the fuse box... I think I once described this but can't locate it directly.


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