SE5a YTY V8 project

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SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by Tinker man » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:27 am

Hi all,

as you may have seen in the for sale section i collected the above vehicle from Sunderland at the weekend. its a full resto case, but it has its merits i think.
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on the journey home.
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i have been looking for a project to put in a V8 that i am rebuilding and this seemed to fit the bill. but now part of me is just thinking about a rebuild of the car keeping it original.... we will see. i thought i the direction sorted now i am not so sure. i am going to need so much help and advice so i hope you are all patient.



bodywork needs full paint, but no splits/cracks/crazing.

front end has been rebuilt some 17 years ago but never seen daylight since, so new dampers, springs ball joints etc
nice wheels, even if tyres are completely shot...

doors dont drop
chassis looks fairly good, even if some of the brackets and things underneath need re-fabrication and welding.

bad bits....

interior (pictures speak a thousand words)
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heading for the works garage
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motor isnt running (carb is off, but there) though it looks like someone has had a fettle at it in the past.
car is now awaiting body off so i can get at the chassis and get this party started!

more to follow in due course..... :D
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hmmmmmmmm.......
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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by Tinker man » Mon Feb 15, 2016 9:50 am

few other things...

new ignition goodies still in the boxes.. plugs, points, coil, dizzy cap leads etc. new front wheel bearings (inner and outer). new ignition barrel with 2 keys.

oil in engine new and unused by looks of things (well new 17 years ago). so maybe the engine has been fettled? 2 carbs, air filter and brake servo. so mostly all there i think.

rear seats and side panels look like they can be saved. dash removed with some degree of order. all labelled up, though hard to read now.

window seals need re-doing but most of the glass is good.

happy days!

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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by Tinker man » Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:52 am

so, here we go. update 1...

doors off and ready to start a lift....
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looking for bits still attached
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separation!! :)
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good and bad news on the chassis. main chassis is pretty good just one area to plate next to the engine:
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only holes in main chassis
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see next post for more..... :D


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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by Tinker man » Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:06 am

update 2

roll bar/ seat belt mounts completely gone.... are these available to buy or am i fabricating? if someone could let me know that would be great.
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rear frame is also poor... anyone got a good rear chassis section they would be willing to sell that i could graft on?? :D or am i fabricating again?
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hmmmmm
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all in all not too bad (read could have been worse). so now to remove engine/box and prop..... then i can think about rectification work on that chassis.

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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by Tinker man » Fri Feb 19, 2016 2:44 pm

moving at a pace today.....
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box out
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tank out
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engine and box ready for storage
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that is probably it for a while now... :D


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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by b.c.flat hat » Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:38 pm

Ooh! More shed envy! Crackin' progress, like it! Crusty.



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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by GTC Ian » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:24 pm

I dream of a garage with that much space. You certainly dont hang around once you get going


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Re: SE5a YTY 681K

Post by Tinker man » Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:17 pm

The garage space is at work. I have limited time to use it so that is the incentive to push on.

The idea is to now get the body onto a trailer and store in a barn whilst getting stuck into the chassis in my garage at home.

But the best laid plans as we all know..........


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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by Tinker man » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:11 am

Decision made. Going with the V8 conversion as per original thought so title changed.

So does anyone have any helpful details on rover 3.5 P6 figment into the SE5a? Engine mounts and positioning? And how much do I need to chop from the firewall and tunnel? So many questions.... I do have the early timing cover/water pump. I will put up some engine rebuild photographs soon. It is well underway.

Any help with photographs or parts used would be very helpful but I guess it will be fun to find out as I go. I looked at the V8church website which has some good pointers. Does anyone else have some tips or sites it would be worth a look at?

All help and advice gratefully received.

Best regards, Ian


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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by plastic orange » Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:59 am

My advice is to go for the 3.9 Rover as it's got a good bit more poke and just as cheap to buy. Best advice for all stuff V8 is here:
http://www.v8forum.co.uk/forum/index.ph ... cdc094a89c

My choice of V8 would be the lexus LS400 engine - super smooth and 290hp in MK4 form - totally bullet proof. To get that power from a Rover would be £10k

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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by scimjim » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:06 am

Best advice for Rover V8 in Scimitars will be found at v8 church that you've already seen here

Did you cut the gearstick?


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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by Lukeyboy46 » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:15 am

plastic orange wrote:My advice is to go for the 3.9 Rover as it's got a good bit more poke and just as cheap to buy. Best advice for all stuff V8 is here:
http://www.v8forum.co.uk/forum/index.ph ... cdc094a89c

My choice of V8 would be the lexus LS400 engine - super smooth and 290hp in MK4 form - totally bullet proof. To get that power from a Rover would be £10k

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It's been tried and that ls400 lump won't fit in an Se5a without SERIOUS chassis modifications.

I've seen in person myself too.


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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by plastic orange » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:20 am

I know it's a wide engine at the heads, pity as it's a great cheap engine. Expensive choice would be the GM LS series, but these are now going for silly money here unless you buy one direct from the US as I did. The BMW V8 is very similar dimensions to the GM LS engine which fits wherever you can put a Rover V8.

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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by Tinker man » Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:48 am

I am afraid that the engine has already been decided.. I have 2 rover v8 motors and an auto box. Rebuilding one of them at present. I know it's not the best but I am not after massive power and why pay out for something I already have?

Jim, yes unfortunately one of my "helpers" lifting the body was under the car and said " I can see what it's stuck on" 5 seconds later the grinder had done its work.. I won't need it, but that wasn't the point. Firmer instructions and decision parameters next time.. Should have removed prior to lift.. Don't know how it was missed, other than rushing.

Thanks for the pointers gents.


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Re: SE5a YTY V8 project

Post by philhoward » Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:09 pm

Cheapest 200bhp that fits with barely a little body trim in the tunnel is probably the Omega lump. It isn't a V8 though and if you already have the RV8, why not.

The 3.9 seems weaker than the 3.5?


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