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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by scimjim » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:17 pm

It doesn't matter one iota where the rotor arm points, as long as the lead for number one is aligned with it.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by AJL Electronics » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:18 pm

Drop the distributor in a couple of teeth out. As it goes down, you will see that the rotor arm will rotate. Make sure that the vacuum capsule has room to swing. Wire a 12v bulb across the coil (or use a voltmeter). Rotate the distributor to just extinguish the lamp with the timing marks lined up. Lock it there and check which cap segment it is pointed at. This is now plug one, so fit the other leads in the correct firing order.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by scimjim » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:20 pm

If you can't set the static timing you need to time it with a strobe.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by Akuchanny » Sun Dec 13, 2015 9:24 pm

Hi Andy, great to hear from you, its been almost a year since I brought the car to you for the carb swap. time has flown by! I will make up a light and give that a shot as I am chasing my tail with it at the moment. Jim, once its running I will get the strobe on to it and check the timing again. Currently as it wont statrt havent been able to used the strobe on it. I will have a change to take a look at it tomorrow.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by Akuchanny » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:18 pm

Okay tried with a test bulb to get the engine running. Nothing happened. I eneded up calling out a orange van of shame as I was still chasing my tail. The RAC guy had the same issues. and did a compression test after lots of doing the same things I was. and found to my horror the following. cylinder 1 was 175, 2 -125, 3 -140, 4 -125, 5 - 25, 6 - 175. So not great after all the work, He thought that cylinder 5 had a bent valve because the timing mark was now out and the rocker was very slack. After he went I put it back together but first checked the valve gaps again. Some were off, but I have now set the intlets to .12 and the exhuast to .20. So I will now try another compression test in a few days to see if that is the issue, and hope that its made the cylinders more matched in compression.

My orginal compression test was as follows- 1-130, 2-100, 3-100, 4-110, 5-90, 6-145. so apart from 5 they have all imporved.

I am now thinking its time to pull it apart again and to fit the aluminium timing gear I have for the car. Although not too sure how to do this in the car. And it will give me a chance to check the valves in the head as well.

Nothing looked warped, or damaged when it was pulled apart, so am hoping the block is okay. I'm hoping at worst I will need a new set of heads. Slightly depressing as I seem to be constantly fighting to get this car on the road. Although I am not sure this is the issue until I pull it apart wasting a perfectly good set of gaskets in the process. Does anyone have a set of heads they dont need any more? If worst comes to it how easy would it be to find a healthy essex engine that won't bankrupt me? Although the engine in the car only has 43,000 on it and has always run smoothly when its been driving. Also has anyone used any of the gaskest sets on Ebay? I have been using the sets from burton power so far.

If anyone is around east london it would be great to get a second set of eyes on this, as its hard to describe how horrible it is after the few days taking apart a car that ran, although not well, to now have a car that doesn't run after doing the work on it, that was supposed to fix it, especially as I had to renew the insurance on the car today, it would be great to be driving it very very soon.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by AJL Electronics » Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:42 pm

I have a pair of heads. If you get stuck, I can get the car collected and brought up here.


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Post by scimjim » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:17 pm

Those compression figures won't prevent the engine starting.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by Coupe Racing » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:44 pm

With all this cranking are the plugs wet when u take them out


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by Akuchanny » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:35 pm

Hey Andy, Thanks for the post, I will keep you posted on how I get on with it….

I was guessing the same with the compression as it ran before with the older compression test. The plugs are getting wet, there is spark, and air is getting through the filter. So far I have only been able to get it to fire in reverse or backfire and not catch. Its currently back to just spinning over and not starting. I haven't re tested the compression after re adjusting the valves. So will get to that soon hopefully.

Any ideas why I am having so many problems with it this time round, last time I rebuilt the top end, I got it started and running this time its as if something is making sure I just can't solve the problem.

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Post by scimjim » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:38 pm

If you have fuel, spark, air and compression, the only thing it can be is timing.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by Akuchanny » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:42 pm

Yep, I have tried every combination on the dizzy, and now it looks like the timing gear may have jumped, as its not matching up to the marks as well as it was. although that was the observation of the orange van man today. I will double check it when I can. But even using the bulb set up andy posted I still havent been able to get the car to start. Completely stumped.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by scimjim » Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:47 pm

If you think the timing gear has stripped teeth then stop before doing any more damage.


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by Akuchanny » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:02 pm

I don't as its still turning and the valves are still moving, but it has back fried and that has made me more cautious about it right now. There have been no valve bending or strange metal noises and everything is turning over cleanly. But I will investigate. Would the stripped gear, make this feel any different?


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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by MrGoldtop1960 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:37 pm

Andrew,
Agree with Jim that if the timing is out, then get that sorted first. If you find that the timing marks are okay check this.....
If you're not getting full battery voltage at the coil whilst cranking then it may not fire. Not sure on a 5 but on a 5a there is a wire that runs between the starter and the coil to give you battery voltage at the coil when the starter is turning the engine over. Make sure your connections are clean etc!
Ask me how I know this! :D

Just thought I'd throw this in for what it's worth!

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Re: At last! I have my SE5 back!

Post by AJL Electronics » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:45 pm

I seem to recall that the ignition wiring wasn't at its best and had to do some repairs last time I saw it. Might be worth trying hotwiring.


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