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Post by philhoward » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:33 am

I couldn’t suss out what threads the fuel lines were either - I managed to get some tails from someone breaking a car as my engine didn’t come with any (bought mine already removed).


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Post by Alan SS1 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:54 pm

the thread on the fuel line 'might' be a JIC fitting?

we use them (JIC) at work, or maybe even 1/4" BSP ? can you measure the OD and pitch, I'll have look what we have so at least lets you know (of course GOOGLE will also help on pitch etc)


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Post by superleggo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:46 pm

Alan thanks for your interest.

Here are some better pictures.
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The male side is 14mm OD with a slight inward cone. The thread pitch is 1.25mm I think

JIC fittings seem to outward cone on the male end or is an olive used. Are JIC fittings the same as AN-6 fittings?



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Post by Roger Pennington » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:51 pm

Could you find a local hydraulic pipe specialist, who may recognise it, but even if he can't, may be able to attach a new pipe to the existing union?


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Post by superleggo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:03 pm

Roger - yes that was going to be my next option but will involve a 75mile round trip as I live in the middle of nowhere! so the internet would save time if I can find out what it is. However I am miles away from needing it so it can wait.



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Post by Roger Pennington » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:12 pm

Ah. that's a shame :(


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Post by superleggo » Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:47 pm

Well I will have to try and get to the hydraulic supplier some time soon but in the meantime I might as well run the pipes from front to back. The great thing about a rolling chassis is it takes 5 mins to remove the engine!

Fuel pipes and brake pipes installed. I am not a great fan of the white clips as black would have look better but they will be ok.
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fuel tank support worked out ok and just needs a paint.
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I will put the engine back in tomorrow and then try and mount the speedo sensor while access is easy.



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Post by Old and Slow » Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:19 pm

Re: your fuel pipe conundrum;
Have a look at this website:
http://www.apexfluid.co.uk/technical/thread-id.php
I bet if you asked them nicely they'd send you a part to see if it fits! :)


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Post by superleggo » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:23 pm

Philip

Thanks for the link. I will give them a ring



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Post by superleggo » Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:55 pm

Well I dumped the engine back in. Engine removal/fitting without the body and any connections is a nice operation!

I turned a piece of bar up on the lathe and welded on a couple of nuts to hold on the old ABS sensor as a feed for the speedo and I think it may be needed for the Engine ECU. I need to read Howards post again on the orange relay trick. I welded on two nuts at 90 deg to each other as I could not remember which way the sensor was positioned. It was easy to add another nut while it was on the bench and not so easy back on the gearbox. I probably does not matter how it is positioned but sad to discover at a later date!
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Weld in place. I positioned it with a 1mm spacer to create the gap.
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A quick paint and finished.
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There is even a clip welded to the chassis nearby to support the wiring.



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Post by MikeyBikey » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:46 pm

Looking very good


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Post by philhoward » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:05 pm

Lovely work!


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Post by superleggo » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:11 pm

We will see if it works. I am not sure about the wiring yet



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Post by superleggo » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:47 pm

Time to adjust the gear stick position so it is returned to the original hole. The Omega gear leaver extension is about 80mm to long depending on the position of the engine. I thought I would need to trim out about 85mm which would have been convenient as Vauxhall provided 2 spare holes. But I did not get that lucky as I need to move it back by 65mm.
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Unfortunately a hump in the pressing needed beating out to make it flat again. LHS completed RHS to be flattened.
nov 28th 2017 006.JPG
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The pressing in the gear shaft is annoying as it is just in the wrong place so I cut the centre of the shaft out and welded it back together.
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Trial fit seems ok
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Finished.
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I will recut the hole so the original gator fits.
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Post by superleggo » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:23 pm

I managed to fit in 2 days holiday this week on the pretext of replacing the roof on my garage to prevent the rain pouring in. The good news is the floor is on a bit of a slope so it runs out the other end. But this is no good so off with the roof. While I was collecting new roofing sheets I dropped in on two hydraulic suppliers with the aim of identifying the fittings on the fuel rail. The first told me that they did not deal in fuel fitting so would not help!
The second thought it was M16 hydraulic but could not make up a pipe as it was fuel.

H&S gone mad - a waste of an hour.

After a successful day on the roof I decided to cut up the fitting I had to see how the OEM part ws fixed. After carefully grinding off the compression ferrule I was left with the following parts.

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Very reusable with M8 fuel pipe and a Jubilee clip! I should have been braver and cut it earlier.
nov 29th 2017 002.JPG
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For the record:- The feed is M16 with a pipe fitting tail of M8 and the return is M14 with a pipe fitting tail

They are called Swivel nut and hose tail fittings
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