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SE5 with Omega power

Post by superleggo » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:13 am

Well it is time to stop reading other peoples posts and start one of my own. I am sure it will divide opinion and there will be those who think that I should restore my SE5 as original. But after much thinking I have decided to follow the Omega route so started collecting parts. I appologise to those who believe in originallity but I have now got two very poor SE5 cars which have been off the road for over 20 years and have had not takers to restore. I will start on one car and decide on the options of the other at a later date. Both cars have rusty schassis and siezed engines so it is a body off job and whilst it is off I decided to upgrage the engine to something with more power and reliability.

I nearly went down the s-type route as a donor but don't think the air intake is very nice looking as it makes the conversion look lop-sided and the Omega is more pleasing on the eye with the air intake down the centre of the engine. Also the gearbox linkage seems easy to modify as it has a seperate remote linkge. The downside of the Omega is that it is about 30hp down on the S-type in power but this problem was solved when I bought a modified Omega this week with a claimed 250hp. The car is tired but the engine is sweet and it made it the 230miles home without missing a beat.

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It looks like there are enough parts to sell on ebay to recover a good percentage of my outlay

I recognise that there will be a great deal of fabrication in the project but have done a few engine swaps in the past.

Before I can start in ernest on this project I need to complete my VW camper with a Zetec engine for those interested see:

http://www.vwkd.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3525&start=0

For those thinking of putting a Zetec in a GTE here is the proof that you can get the zetec running on its own ECU retaining Fords antitheft system PATS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgMG9-0s1eE

Can wait to get the spanners out.
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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by lozzzzzz » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:30 am

Wow!!!! that camper look slike sooooooo much work! Very impressed.

And I might have to pick your brains one day about the Zetec, when my brother finally gets round to putting one in the Capri.

Bring on the Scimega, I look forward to you getting started soon.


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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by philhoward » Mon Feb 25, 2013 10:04 am

Another one ahoy!

We've all taken slightly different angles to installing one, so be good to see a someone else coming up with new ideas.

15 or 20 years ago, the Rover V8 was the "no brainer" conversion. It looks like the Omega lump is the new Rover?


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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by DarrylWebb » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:17 pm

Excellent.
That should have a few tasty bits to sell on. If you have space, keep the whole car as long as you can. You never know what odd bits come in useful.

How's it been modified to 250bhp? I've not seen that Mantzel box before.I don't know much about it, but I've read the bottom end is a bit soft for going much over 250bhp.


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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by superleggo » Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:55 pm

I will be keeping the car to the end of the project as there are always more parts or electrical plugs etc that you need and just cost you more to buy. I had been offered an engine and box at a good price but having bought parts piece meal for my camper conversion I regret I did not buy the whole car. I decided not to make the same mistake again as storage is not a problem and Hve alread been offered £150 for the bare shell for banger racing. I am in no great hurry to reclaim my outlay at present.

The seller was a bit vague about how it had been modified as he did not do it but apparently a company in Southampton did it professionally. He thinks it was chipped and had high profile cams. It certainly goes well and the engine is sweet. However I would guess it has been chipped but it idles too well for high profile cams. It has nice exhaust and inlet system. I would think the claimed 250hp may be a little optimistic but will not be taking it down the rolling road to find out at this stage. It will do me fine for this project and is the best I option I have found in the last 2/3 months



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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:44 am

There was a chip for sale for a stock lump that reckoned on 235bhp - it did have a disclaimer that its a rather aggressive ignition map that gets the extra ponies....V-Power/Momentum only for that one then!

Be interesting to see the torque curve and whether or not its traded some of the bottom end torque for top end power?


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Post by expat2000 » Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:05 pm

superleggo wrote:Image
Is the reg no worth selling on to start reclaiming some of the outlay?


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Post by DarrylWebb » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:00 pm

Good point. As you've just bought the car, you'd need to register it in your own name and it needs current tax and MoT.
I looked at it with my donor, but the tax and MOT had expired months before I bought it.


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Post by philhoward » Tue Feb 26, 2013 2:17 pm

MoT and tax aren't apparently necessary if within a certain period of expiry AND there was no gap between tax expiry and SORN start? I've got an issue with a car thats MoT'd, but not taxed (and hasn't been for over 12 months) that I need the plate off - looks like insuring and taxing it....unless the mud-like rules can be cleared a bit?


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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by DarrylWebb » Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:32 pm

Correct, Phil. I didn't want to get into the mud-like rules, but IIRC in my case the change of ownership threw a spanner in the works (change of ownership means change of SORN). It all became too messy to persue.
I think the cherished plate dealers keep the 'within certain period of expiry' option quiet as they don't want the hassle.
The dealers also stipulated if the authorities decided the condition did'nt allow for the transfer, the dealer would bill the seller for the costs of advertising, admin etc.

With luck it might be do-able with this one, but best to ensure all the ducks are in a row.


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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by superleggo » Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:51 pm

Yes I had spotted this one. Anyone wnt ot buy the plate. The car has 12.5 months mot and taxed until the end of March. The log book is in a friends name at the present so it is insured on a trade policy to give time to get the plate off when we get the V5 back from the DVLA. Also hope to have the advantage of the plate being a Cornish and I have bought the car back to Cornwall.

I tried to insure it on a one day policy to get it home but it is almost impossible if you are honest and declare any modification including alloy wheels! Hence the only way to get it back at a sensible price was to use a friends trade policy. Short term insurance is easy for an unmodified car and I have never hd a problem for a modified car for a year but you can not mix and match as far as I can see. Anyway it is home now so that problem is over. moral of the story is don't sell your car trailer the week before buying a car!!! Anyone got a Brian James transporter for sale?



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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by DarrylWebb » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:23 pm

Registrations are pretty specific to individuals. The best bet is to get some quotes from the big players.
You can have them advertise it, but if time is short on the tax and MoT, some of the dealers will buy it off you for resale, but at a lower price. It may not be huge money, but it's all good for the project pot.
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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by superleggo » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:40 pm

I will do a bit of phoning round tomorrow or list on the a well known auction site



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Re: SE5 with Omega power

Post by Smiler » Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:56 pm

That looks an interesting tuning modification. I don't know how critical intake path lengths will be but at least you should be able to make enough space in the front of a 5 to fit it.

I know what you mean about the under-bonnet appearance between these and the S-type, the omega lump looks like a tidy complete package whereas the jag lump looks awkward and half finished.

Good luck with the VW, I hope I can get the Zetec management in my Escort to come to life (heading for the Autodata program next!).

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