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Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:30 pm

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Post by CNHSS1 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:42 pm

Spray glue and stretchy fabric ;-)

( for the seats not a fetish btw :lol: )


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Post by scimjim » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:45 pm

Might be able to find some if I look hard enough :cough: :? :D


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Post by reliant-reviver » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:16 am

Back to the rails. I wouldn't drop them all the way, just down to the "box" of the tunnel. I realise those north of 6ft might feel the need to go all the way down to lower sill level, but I found that too low for me (shy of 6ft) when used with a proper side mount shell seat.

I've always used C section channel. Both specially folded, but also rectangular box section sliced length ways.

If you "slice" straight down through the original rails you can leave the original strengthener plates in tact and clean them up, but depending on your rail spacing they may not suit, which is again another reason for looking at side mount seats where the mounting brackets have a whole host of points which can almost certainly be made to match up.
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Post by swoakes » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:24 am

That will be useful at Harewood Corky; you can check out the length of the grass you are cutting :wink:


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Post by Corky » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:32 pm

reliant-reviver wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:16 am
Back to the rails. I wouldn't drop them all the way, just down to the "box" of the tunnel. I realise those north of 6ft might feel the need to go all the way down to lower sill level, but I found that too low for me (shy of 6ft) when used with a proper side mount shell seat.

I've always used C section channel. Both specially folded, but also rectangular box section sliced length ways.

If you "slice" straight down through the original rails you can leave the original strengthener plates in tact and clean them up, but depending on your rail spacing they may not suit, which is again another reason for looking at side mount seats where the mounting brackets have a whole host of points which can almost certainly be made to match up.
Thanks Phil, useful info as always. I do think I’m going to go as low as possible though. Being 6’3” plus a helmet and roll cage, I think I’ll need all the space I can get. It’s easier to add height to the seat than take it away.
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That will be useful at Harewood Corky; you can check out the length of the grass you are cutting :wink:
Ha bloody ha.......... :lol:


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Post by scimjim » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:41 pm

you should be able to go a bit further than the 3" you suggested previously then?


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Post by Corky » Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:51 pm

I think 3” will be a good target. With the box section I’m using, 3” should be achievable, give or take a few 8ths and 16ths.


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Post by Corky » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:14 pm

A bit more progress today. I got the original rails cut out and the replacements welded in. I've also done a deal on one tatty Lotus Elise seat. If the Elise plan works, I'll try and find a nice pair.

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About 2" 3/4" gained.

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Not the neatest welding I know. I started off with tacking in nice big blobs, then filled in the gaps. But they are solid as a rock. I've tried the 16 stone jump test :lol:
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Post by Corky » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:26 pm

This is the Reliant metal against its replacement. The Reliant stuff is about 1mm thinner.
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And a view from the back to show the seat height difference.
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Post by CNHSS1 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:09 pm

Nice one Corky, a tried and tested path and essential for anyone over 5' 10" and wearing a helmet. The Elise seats will also go further back than stock or steel framed comp seats, good for bonce safety in an inversion, and also closer to tunnel so good to move driver weight further back and closer to centre line.


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:38 pm

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Post by Corky » Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:53 pm

Sooooo, I went out to have another look at the seat rails this afternoon and had another bounce on them. Very solid indeed. However, I’m new to metal glueing (evident from the scruffy weld beads) so decided to go belt and braces. I made up two tabs from a pair of 3mm seat belt mounts (unbelievabley they were already bent to the correct shape and only required the ends trimming off), and welded them in. I feel happier now, that there’s no way the rails could fall through the chassis.

Next step was treating all of the exposed metal with a rust converter/preventer. I now need to work out how I’m going to fill the hole. I have a few ideas, just need some garage time.
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Sill side, the rails sit on the bottom lip.
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Post by Alan SS1 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 1:00 pm

Corky wrote:
Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:53 pm
Sooooo, I went out to have another look at the seat rails this afternoon and had another bounce on them. some garage time.
it's not the falling through you need to worry about :wink:

but as the standard seat is only held in by a couple of M8 bolts at back edge I'm sure you've got more square mm of hot metal than that ! ! !


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Post by Corky » Thu Oct 26, 2017 5:51 pm

Got a bit more work done.

Primed and painted the new rails (stone chip paint).
Chopped up the floor I’d removed and pinned it in place with a few brackets.
Taped under the gaps to make a channel I could fill with chopped strand.
Filled in the gaps with several layers of chopped strand and mat.
Using a cardboard tube, made a mould to go around the now exposed speedo cable (to allow its removal should I need to).
Glassed over the mould, then removed the card board tube.

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The piece at the back covered with tape, is only there as a support for the new fibreglass.

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Then, I had another go with the MR2 seat. This now fits like a glove. Tempted to use it TBH. Loads of headroom !

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