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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by Roger Pennington » Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:40 pm

MikeyBikey wrote:Mm ew. .? Manual mirrors electric winders ??
Yep (well, strictly, "electric windows") :D


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by reliant-reviver » Wed Dec 30, 2015 12:57 am

I say it's a rare combination as I have not come across many 1600s with MM EW.
MM require that no trimmed insert panels be fitted to the door cards, of course these were standard on the 1600 (with T1 and T2 Doorcards) so I guess this left Reliant with a bit of a dilema as to whether to include them in the basic 1600 package.
The pre-launch brochure (badge front / fold out poster) suggests they are an option on both 13/16.
By the time the car was launched the brochure ("getaway car" compass picture) then lists them as standard equipment on the 1600.
The majority of SS1s were produced in the first year of production 85-86. On the June 86 price list they were still inc. on 1600 (and now 1800ti also) but by October 86 they became an option on the 1600 and standard on 1800ti only.

By 88 / 89 the pricelists now listed the 1400 and 1600 with same base spec - MM MW. By this point they were of course phasing in the T3 doorcards and the trim panels weren't an issue.

Anyway. In short, it was only a relatively small window of production where you could order a 1600 with MM and receive a car with T2 door cards and no trim inserts.


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:01 am

That's interesting, my car does, as you say, have no trim panels, and I'd often wondered why - another piece of the jigsaw falls into place :D


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by reliant-reviver » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:39 am

Thought you had flat panel T3 door cards anyway?


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:36 pm

No, mine are the moulded T2 like this:

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Passenger side doesn't look too bad (though some of the fixings have been bodged in the past), driver's side is very tatty.


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by reliant-reviver » Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:56 pm

Ah had it in My mind your car had T3 dcs as it is an E reg.
Rare combo as i say.

And those headrests would have come from a late 1300 (grey piping, vinyl backs )
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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by scimjim » Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:32 pm

Roger's bitza car probably came from the factory with those headrests, to go with the Ti dash and early door cards :-)


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by Roger Pennington » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:38 pm

reliant-reviver wrote:Ah had it in My mind your car had T3 dcs as it is an E reg.
Rare combo as i say.

And those headrests would have come from a late 1300 (grey piping, vinyl backs )
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Yes, Jim's absolutely right, my car is a true "collector's car" being a loosely-related collection of bits! It's an E-plate with a chassis no just below 1300, so pretty late (perhaps so late they were starting to lose the plot! :lol: )

However, that said, the seats are a bit of a red herring - they are the ones I bought from Nick K last year, the originals did have red piping on the head restraints (with vinyl backs) - well it's reddish anyway - they didn't carry their years gracefully :lol:

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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by td99 » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:57 pm

reliant-reviver wrote:I say it's a rare combination as I have not come across many 1600s with MM EW. ...
The majority of SS1s were produced in the first year of production 85-86. On the June 86 price list they were still inc. on 1600 (and now 1800ti also) but by October 86 they became an option on the 1600 and standard on 1800ti only.
My Ti (chassis no. 1404) has EM and MW - so another bitsa car! Also plain grey vinyl door cards T3.


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by reliant-reviver » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:10 pm

Roger looking at that seat I can only say you must fidget to much!
Reliant love to churn out oddities. I once had an E plate 1600 on a non galv chassis (in the 800's) with T3 DC's!

Trevor. That sounds to be stock combination as the 1800ti base spec was always listed as:
Alcantara seat facings, arm rest and door inserts (T2 Door cards 86-88 approx)
Electric Mirrors
Manual Windows.

Moving on then. We find ourselves in 2016 and one resolution I might make is keeping my threads more up to date. So I had better post the final installation.

Soon after the sale of "Lucy" the green SS1 I found myself devoid of transport. Now on SORN, KMG would still have carried on serving the purpose, but it was really ailing. The engine chucking out a lot of smoke, and still leaving a fair amount of oil, it was getting to the point of being embarrassing, and driving more than 30 minutes started to impart occupants with a burnt oil tainted aroma! Rather than worsen its condition by running it through another winter, I parked it up at the parents, with a view to spannering on it when time allowed.

With Kristine's Skoda Octavia having done so well up till that point, I went out and bought another, but a 1.9tdi estate this time. Boring I know, and loathed as I was to join the world of modern euro boxes, I have to say the car grew on me.
So, given the convenience and economy of a diesel FWD estate, I plugged on through much of 2015 without laying a finger on KMG. The main reason being that at our house we were looking to start the ball rolling on a rather large landscaping / ground works project. In the end we got ticked off trying to line up tradesmen who seemed to be un-interested, pricey or questionable. So Kristine and I took matters into our own hands in Feb 2015 and decided to set to it by ourselves.
I should say it is still ongoing, and even after digging out nearly 20 tons of soil by hand, laying over 1000 bricks, a patio, a shed base and a garage base we still have a fair amount of work ahead of us!
By the tail end of summer though, we decided to call a time out for another of my well thought out plans to the tune of "Just an engine swap..."

A couple of years back I came across a bit of an unusual item. A "new" CVH 1300 engine that had been supplied by a power units dealer, specifically for the purpose of being a training aid. It was mounted in a fully plumbed up mobile frame / dock, with controls and dials, and interestingly a box of switches, which allowed the simulation of ignition faults.
So basically, a lump that has lived inside all its life, been left to run, revved up and down but never actually put under load. After agreeing to purchase it I travelled up to Derbyshire, heard it running sweetly, and proceeded to extract and transport it home. Fantastic!

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NOTE to self. When transporting engines still full of fluids. Consider sheeting the boot out first. I forgot the flywheel bolts run into through-holes in the crank. Which when left out, will proceed to jettison a considerable amount of 10w40 when cornering! Oops

August 2015 then KMG was set up in the workshop for a heart transplant.

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Good bye old lump, I shall miss the fair power and buckets of torque the tall block gave. But time for a change.

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The lumpy cam on the old engine did wonders of rattling all manner of things lose over the years. The gearbox mounting bolts being one of those that no matter how you went about it, they still kept coming out. At the time of removal, the mount plate was in with just 2 bolts!
With a couple of riv nuts required to replace broken captives, I thought it might be wise to spread the load across all 8 fixing points that are in place for the different 4spd and 5spd mounts.

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Bit of a fiddle to tighten some of the bolts, but there should be no reason to take it out any time soon I hope. You'll see also the window cut in the mount plate, the purpose of this is to allow access to the head of the mount-to-gearbox bolt. Allowing it to be changed in situe without removing the plate. Also worth noting that most mounts bear a witness mark of the bolt head rubbing in this area, so a potential source of vibration / knocks that some may never have even thought of!

New 1300 lump going in. The decision was made to revert to the early coolant system format that the car originally had.
As a bit of an investigation I used (rally spec) Escort RS2000 engine mounts which are significantly thicker at 45mm. The engine sat really well onto these, rather than the normal mis-alignment the 40mm originals give. It would certainly cause clearance issues with the taller 14/1600 though and I also decided it was necessary to space the gearbox mounting up to suit and keep prop angles correct.

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I had opted not to refit the 4-2-1 manifold and 2" custom system. Size wise it would have been a bit over spec for the 1300 plus I'd found it to be a bit tiresome on motorways and antisocial in the mornings . Though I have since learned from neighbours that they rather like the distinctive burble reminding them they too should be awake and getting on with the day!

A NOS 1300 downpipe was sourced from QRG, and I gave this a tickle before fitting to take the nasty unfinished internal edge off the twin pipe section. They were smaller than the manifold / gasket so wouldn't have been helping flow much.

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Of course this didn't fit straight on with the engine's new mounting height. A 1600 downpipe was just a bit too tall, so the only solution was to whack a spacer in there too. Thankfully I'd had some flanges laser cut a while back when collaborating with Richard V. on the batch of exhausts made.

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A shonky old exhaust system was dragged up from the depths. Whilst it would once have been supplied as Stainless Steel. It was now sporting a hefty layer of "stains"! The exhaust tip had certainly seen better days, so was removed with brute force.

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From an exhaust upgrade on my brother's Clio Sport a good while back I had retained the 2.5" tips. The other had found it's self permanently mounted on "Lucy" and looked just right in my view. So I went about fitting the remaining one. But, anticipating that the exhaust may be changed further on down the line, I've made the tail piece removable this time. Neat if I may say so myself.

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I didn't take all that many pictures through the fit-out, so let’s jump forward to the end product with an engine bay shot.

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There were various other jobs to complete on the car to bring it back up to scratch.
Top of my list for far too long though was replacing the interior and exterior weatherstips on the doors. Not that they were letting water into the car (which find its way out the bottom of the doors). But it's rather unsightly when they've near enough crumbled away, and the movement of that much water through the door can't be good for the nearby metalwork.
It's one of those jobs that is easily put off as it involves stripping the door glass and quaterlights out, then a bunch of drilling out and re-rivetting. But I'm glad it's done now.

An MOT was booked and KMG flew straight through. I've never had a CVH pass an emissions test with such flying colours, so that was nice.
Road legal once again, it was then taken back to our house and with my Octavia estate now sold, KMG was put back into service.

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We were working to a deadline by this point for an arrangement that required KMG looking it's very best.
Now Kristine hasn't had mention in this spate of work so far. But rest assured she did lend a hand, and got involved for the Mr Miyagi moment. Wax on. Wax Off.

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Besides the un-characterful cleanliness and shine there's one other change to notice in this next shot.

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Yup. KMG is no longer "KMG". Well it is still KMG, to me anyway. But it is now graced with the reg B551 MAD. Which whilst not obvious to most, does amuse me as a reflection of my seeming tendency to at times BE SS1 MAD! Oh hahaha.

Even installed new boot badges to aid those sat in traffic behind with a fighting chance of connecting some dots.

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The pressed aluminium plates are a bit Marmite I know. So here it is wearing regular Charles Wright acrylics sat at home in my new zen-space man cave.

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With a few teething problems sorted out, the Scim was running great, and a joy to drive about in locally. Trust restored, we hastily booked a trip over to mainland Europe to visit friends in The Hague.
It was a truely unremarkable journey, no dramas, nothing. We were running late at various points and had to press on, so buried the pedal.
Brace yourself for this. We achieved an initial personal best of 96mph on the way out, and a staggering 97mph on the way back.
I totally forgot to take any pictures near any of the scenic things we saw. But as proof that we went somewhere-
Here's muggins behind the wheel. The wrong side of the road. And the sumptuously soft Max and Morritz in The Netherlands.

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If ever there was a reason to take a quick car and downgrade it, it would be the argument winning economy and reliability that will allow you to justify crossing countries merely to be in the company of a couple feline friends!
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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by td99 » Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:40 pm

reliant-reviver wrote:...
Trevor. That sounds to be stock combination as the 1800ti base spec was always listed as:
Alcantara seat facings, arm rest and door inserts (where applicable)
Manual Mirrors
Electric Windows.
Phil, I have Electric Mirrors and Manual Windows. (Obviously built by a dyslexic employee :shock: :shock: :shock: )
No "inserts" at all on door cards, just vinyl.

Great thread!


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by reliant-reviver » Fri Jan 01, 2016 11:02 pm

The dyslexic error would be on my part!

Should have read that 1800ti were sold with Electric Mirrors and Manual Windows as standard.

No Type 3 door cards have a trim insert, as the seperate plastic handle bridges both recesses.

As I suggested before, I suspect Reliant intended to make the EM an option on all models from the off. But then realised you can't have the trim inserts in place and the manual joysticks due to the short threaded body / collar.
So to allow the 1600 to have it's more plush interior, they had to give away the EM as standard. When the door cards later changed, and pennies got pinched, they dropped the spec on the 1600 and it was only the 1800ti that had EM as standard (got to have some extra points for the sales pitch besides a cracking engine I guess)

I'll edit the previous post to prevent any more misinformation being spread by my hand!


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by richardvernon » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:00 am

My, you have been busy Phil.Good to see the house hasn't dampened your SS1 enthusiasm.

One of my regrets is not taking a similar uni test bed Power Products lean burn 1.6 cvh when it was being chucked.Took the head which went to a good home with Roger P though which eases my conscience.

You are obviously coping with the huuuuge power reduction :wink: . Seriously,I still fondly remember the fun I have had in cars with smaller but rev happy engines.

Have you found the time to diagnose the issue with the old 1.9 ? And what is its fate?

I'm sure you will have spares aplenty but I have a good nick 1.3 cast ex manifold if you ever need one.It was on my SS1 when I first got it .Recognised your 4-2-1 manifold in one of Jim's posts and suspected something serious was up with its original host.

I could do with a Vulcan mind meld with Kristine and my other half.She has only ever been in my SS1 twice.......and that was before we were married.Which was over 10 years ago.

All the best for 2016


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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by Supersub » Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:21 am

Phil - is that a Hyundai Coupe I see lurking in the back of one of your pics? If so are they any good? They say spares can be expensive. Is this correct.? Quite fancy a 2.7 V^ myself.

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Re: Reviver's Scimitars

Post by siw1800 » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:04 pm

So where did K75HEX fit into this time line?


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