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Post by Mimic » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:56 pm

Hi,

I know that this topic has been discussed many times but I am a lit lost between early and late clutch kit for our SE5/ SE5a. Here in picture my actual one :
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I have some noise at idle speed when engine is clutched so I have presumed my release bearing is worn: it's why I decided to change it.
Could you give me to identify my clutch: early or late?
Like other owner I think the QRG kit is litlle bit expensive so I wrote an email to precisionclutch.co.uk They answered me today my release bearing is obsolete and I must find somewhere else but they can supply me cover and plate for 95£. Have you known this problem with the same configuration?
Could you confirm me the cover and plate are sourced from ford zodiac/capri Mk1 ?
Where could I source the good release bearing?

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Post by scimmy_man » Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:56 pm

QRG will have the correct release bearing,

its worth supporting the club traders, even if a few pounds more, no one else keeps the "odd stuff" so I dont begrudge spending a little more on other stuff.


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Post by AndyKing » Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:16 am

It's a little difficult to be certain from the photos, but there are a couple of ways to work out which type you need.

The clutch cover needs to match the flywheel, as the pcd of the holes is slightly different. The early flywheel has imperial threads for the clutch cover, whereas the later one is metric. It has been known for the wrong clutch cover to be jammed on.

An early clutch cover has straight fingers and requires a release bearing with a curved face, whereas the later clutch cover has curved fingers and needs a flat faced bearing.

The clutch plates are both the same I believe.

As has been said QRG are very good at sorting out any combination you need.

Hope this helps
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Post by peter freeman » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:23 am

Try Mark Wilson he has all sorts of stuff stashed away.



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Post by scimjim » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:53 am

You have a very early car with an oval port engine, so the flywheel should be the earlier imperial pcd fitting.


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Post by Scimher » Thu Jan 03, 2019 5:36 am

Due to abject poverty I was looking at the options, a year or two back for dear old Big Sis (early '71 SE5) I discovered that all ebay kits (& I've just remembered I made a trip to Wolstanton off the A500, Stoke on Trent area to Euro Car Parts because they said that they had something suitable in stock - transpired that maybe 2 out of the 3 parts to a clutch kit may have fitted......but having just read Andy King's breakdown, it might have been 1 out of 3!!)....would only fit the later cars - probably 6a.....I ended up 'biting the bullet' & getting the full kit from QRG which was duly fitted & worked perfectly....(it was £200 then when the other kits being touted (but which wouldn't fit!) were around £60-£80, I think...................One of the instances where the early GTEs are more expensive to maintain... :roll:
(Wish I'd had one of these 'ere 'project threads' i think you call 'em.....the year & details are on here somewhere - but goodness knows where! :( ...I do remember it all started when she & I had come back from Wales. There had been a strange noise from the front end; which turned to to be a tyre with an inner wall bulge. When I let her Uncle Andy take her up the road to see what the problem was, she seized up in first gear on him!!! Like a faithful dog she's a 'one man car'...!!! She had 4 new tyres all round at that time, as well......The only time I think I've ever bought a full set at one time for any car since my very first one....a '61 Minor in tangerine: they were 4 remould crossplies & the bill was sixteen quid (this would have been in 1974 - & that was very cheap then!!!)



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Post by roymck » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 am

scimjim wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:53 am
You have a very early car with an oval port engine, so the flywheel should be the earlier imperial pcd fitting.
Is it possible to fit a late flywheel onto a early engine so you can use a later clutch?



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Post by Coupe Racing » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:05 am

Yes but be mindful of the crank balance


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Post by scimjim » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:28 am

roymck wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 am
scimjim wrote:
Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:53 am
You have a very early car with an oval port engine, so the flywheel should be the earlier imperial pcd fitting.
Is it possible to fit a late flywheel onto a early engine so you can use a later clutch?
Yes, they’re otherwise identical.


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Post by philhoward » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:22 am

Strictly speaking, the early and late covers need differing release bearings (flat fingers & curved bearing or curved fingers & flat bearing) but still doesn't really get away from the fact that "Ford" fitment clutches (Capri/Granada) generally don't have the correct release bearing for either Overdrive gearbox.


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Post by Stupopt1 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:21 am

looks like the early clutch to me, I made the mistake of trying to get a cheaper replacement from suppliers that guaranteed a fit, but was wasting my time.
In the end I contacted QRG and got the correct one , yes it was about £200 but it all fitted perfectly.


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Post by Mimic » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:51 pm

I will follow your advice! Moreover with exchange rate, bank commisionand overseas shipping cost it will more interessant to pay all in one time.



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Post by Old and Slow » Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:51 pm

Help!!
I'm struggling to get a replacement clutch release bearing that fits the carrier fitted to the Sabre Six with a Moss gearbox, and there's been a suggestion that it uses the clutch release bearing carrier from an SE5.
Can anyone tell me the bore diameter of the thrust bearing (aka release bearing) of the early SE5 (spring clutch). It looks like someone has fitted the later type bearing (curved face) designed for a diaphragm clutch and not the flat face type. I'm assuming the SE5 carrier is the same diameter whichever clutch is fitted; mine measures 41 mm diameter.


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Post by Roger Pennington » Wed Jan 30, 2019 11:27 pm

Old and Slow wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 4:51 pm
Can anyone tell me the bore diameter of the thrust bearing (aka release bearing) of the early SE5 (spring clutch). It looks like someone has fitted the later type bearing (curved face) designed for a diaphragm clutch and not the flat face type.
I may be mistaken, but I thought all GTEs had diaphragm clutches - either the early type with flat fingers and a domed release bearing, or the later type with curly fingers and a flat release bearing?



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Post by Old and Slow » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:59 pm

Roger,
Thanks for the feedback. What I want is a flat release bearing, so perhaps a later type will fit. Anyone able to measure one, especially the bore size, for me?
Alternatively, is there a part number I can use in conjunction with a manufacturer's catalogue to find the sizes?


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