Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Moderators: scimjim, erikscimitardemon, Lukeyboy46, Roger Pennington, philhoward

Rust hater
Posts: 31
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:28 pm
Location: South Somerset
Been thanked: 1 time

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by Rust hater » Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:59 pm

I'm fairly new to researching the Scimitar range and am leaning towards searching out a 5, but there seem to me many more 5As out there.

Is it a better car? The only differences I had become aware of were reversing lights, dashboard (to me the earlier looks nicer) and suspension trunnions. This website also says: "Chassis upgrades and a restyled interior, heater and rear lights led to the SE5a in 1972".

Is there much to choose between them? Was the chassis really 'upgraded' or just changed? Were the revised trunnions any better and if so, is it a simple job to fit later items to a 5? Did the 5A retain the same seats (to me the buttoned seats in the 6 series don't look so good). I'm not sure why a manufacturer would redesign a new model (if it was called such) with few changes.

Is the revised heater much better? I've picked up that heating/ventilation is not a Scimitar strong point.

If the 5A is a better car I may not concentrate so much on finding a nice 5

Any advice much appreciated.



rebel alliance
Posts: 859
Joined: Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:20 pm
Has thanked: 10 times
Been thanked: 54 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by rebel alliance » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:21 pm

Very slightly more powerfull engine in a 5a and the dash on a 5a is a bit fragile but it may come down to whats available within your budget...Buy the best you can projects can take a lot longer then you think 😊



User avatar
scimjim
RSSOC Member
Posts: 37902
Joined: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:08 pm
Location: Gloucester
Has thanked: 139 times
Been thanked: 985 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by scimjim » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:23 pm

The trunnions weren’t changed AFAIK?

The heater/vent system is totally different, the 5a has footwell mounted motors and fresh air vents as well as an inlet at the base of the screen - the 5 has an older fashioned single motor mounted on the matrix. “Better” is a very subjective term :D

Seats are slightly different but nothing like the 6 series.

Personally the SE5 dash swings it for me (and I have one of each :D )

The lower wishbone mounts were changed in 73 (easy to retrofit), the overdrive box was changed in 73 (earlier has a nicer feel), the engine was updated in 72 (early 5a - can be retro-fitted to earlier cars).


Jim King

SECURE DRY STORAGE FOR YOUR SCIMITAR

Current: SE5 (8Ball), TI SS1 (snotty), 1600 SS1 (G97), 1600 SS1 (C686CCR), 2.5TD SE5a (diesel 5a), 6 x random other SS1s.
Previous: SE5, 3 x SE5a, 2 x SE6a, 3 x SE6b, GTC, 2.9i GTC, 3 x 1600 SS1, 1300 SS1, Mk1 Ti Sabre, Mk1.5 CVH Sabre
Chief mechanic for: 1400 K series SS1 (Megan3), 1400 CVH EFi SS1 (Grawpy), 1300 SS1 (Number One) & Sarah's coupe.
CURE THE FAULT - NOT THE SYMPTOMS

*JP*
Posts: 640
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:19 pm
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 16 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by *JP* » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:36 pm

Taken as a whole the differences are not that significant,which means that it's best to concentrate on getting the best example you can find for whatever you want to spend,that's what I would do.



roymck
RSSOC Member
Posts: 1102
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:33 am
Location: Dorking Surrey
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 24 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by roymck » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:37 pm

The upper wishbones are different on later cars , they angled the ballpoint at a more optimum operating range they say to increase travel . Also thicker sub axles came later .
Agreed with Jim the dash and trim is nicer on a 5 and the switches better quality and just easier to source



User avatar
ScimiTom
RSSOC Member
Posts: 607
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:07 pm
Location: Houston, Scotland
Been thanked: 12 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by ScimiTom » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:21 pm

I adore my 5a, but I'd agree that the 5 is generally a bit nicer cosmetically - the dash and its toggle switches, especially. There are a couple of other external things, which you may have noticed - the thin (chrome?) side strip which gives more definition to the body, the '3 litres' badge (instead of the Scimitar logo), and (I believe, though I may be wrong) slightly more of a downwards 'dip' at the front end of the wings. Added to that, there is the rarity factor (far fewer 5s, and they are the true 'original' GTE). However, as others have said, if you see one for the right price, I wouldn't fuss too much over whether it's the 5 or 5a variant.

Tom


Current: 'Boffin' (1971 SE5a)
Previous: 'Sunshine' (1980 SE6b)

User avatar
Roger Pennington
RSSOC Member
Posts: 20035
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:43 pm
Has thanked: 147 times
Been thanked: 527 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by Roger Pennington » Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:04 pm

ScimiTom wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:21 pm
There are a couple of other external things, which you may have noticed - the thin (chrome?) side strip which gives more definition to the body,
The thin metal side strips (which came from the Herald estate, I believe) were only used during one year of production, so it isn't actually a general characteristic of all Se5s :)


....Roger

RSSOC member (since 1982)
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Image

"Condition can be bought at any time; Originality, once lost, is gone forever" - Doug Nye

Rev Light
RSSOC Member
Posts: 624
Joined: Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:54 am
Location: Swindon
Has thanked: 9 times
Been thanked: 30 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by Rev Light » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:06 pm

I fall into the category of being a 5a owner that really would have preferred a 5 if I could have found one at the time. And like many here have stated, it is the interior that needs the work. It is a long term plan of mine to change my dashboard to make it more 5 like. The underlying structure is actually not a bad start. I am some way off doing this job, but it is being dreamed about and I am sourcing parts already.

Steve


SE5a 'Fancier'

Rust hater
Posts: 31
Joined: Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:28 pm
Location: South Somerset
Been thanked: 1 time

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by Rust hater » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:33 am

Yes, the 5 dash looks more pure than 5a & certainly 6 series. Somewhere in my googling I found mention of a 5b but I guess that is b for bull****?



User avatar
scimmy_man
RSSOC Member
Posts: 1796
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:07 pm
Location: selby yorkshire
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by scimmy_man » Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:46 pm

IIRC some one fitted a 2.8 injection to a SE5a and referred to it as a 5b


I've taken a vow of poverty ...... Annoy me by sending me money!!

User avatar
Pepe
Posts: 900
Joined: Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:49 am
Has thanked: 16 times
Been thanked: 13 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by Pepe » Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:48 pm

3 spoke Steering wheel on SE5 looks WAY better than the bloody 2 spoke Unit in the 5a. Swapped against 5 wheel in my 5y.
But the 5a is made of thicker aluminium and potentially more sturdy...

Just broke my 3 spoke, which is obviously is not the only occasion where this happens...

personally I like the 5's front (lower and 4 pin "grille") and the 5a's rear (nicer rear lamps). And yet again I like the 70ies look of the 5as dash over the 60ies look of the 5.

I am happy with my 5a, would also love to have a 5 in addition, but would add to all others... get what you can afford. I gues still they are not yet a lot apart in terms of price.

Worth mentioning is the rearaxle which is 4HA in the later and 7HA in the earlier cars... change also was roughly with 5/5a. both are almost the same, but the 5as is a bit more rigid (if not rusted)....

5 or 5a is a lot of small changes. Nothing essential. :shock: 8)

OK Shoot... who throws the first stone :)


1975 SE5a restoration link
Image Image

roymck
RSSOC Member
Posts: 1102
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:33 am
Location: Dorking Surrey
Has thanked: 15 times
Been thanked: 24 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by roymck » Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:46 pm

Only first 500 cars had the 7HA axle , and most early cars that are still running have probably had it changed by now . Also 5a rear lamps are expensive to replace and a nightmare to remove repair .



User avatar
CarlosVanDango
Posts: 108
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:37 pm
Location: Rotherham
Been thanked: 4 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by CarlosVanDango » Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:56 pm

ScimiTom wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:21 pm
and (I believe, though I may be wrong) slightly more of a downwards 'dip' at the front end of the wings.
is this correct?
i've looked at pictures an can't really tell a difference just seems to be where the photos been taken from :|



User avatar
scimmy_man
RSSOC Member
Posts: 1796
Joined: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:07 pm
Location: selby yorkshire
Has thanked: 5 times
Been thanked: 35 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by scimmy_man » Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:19 pm

the later SE5 onwards had slightly higher headlights due some minimum height thing.


I've taken a vow of poverty ...... Annoy me by sending me money!!

petrolbob
RSSOC Member
Posts: 89
Joined: Sat Mar 13, 2010 11:15 pm
Location: Loggerheads Staffordshire
Been thanked: 5 times

Is a 5A improved over a 5 ?

Post by petrolbob » Sun Jan 20, 2019 1:39 am

The rest of the interior of the 5 is more robust. Doorcards are fibreglass as are the long interior side panels compared to plastic long panels on 5a.The gearbox of the 5 and some very early 5a was sourced from the Ford Zodiac not as good as the later box with better 2nd gear ratio.
Gearchange is different too, 2 rod on 5 and 3 on 5a. I lean towards the 5 as it was my first Scimitar but both versions are very worthy.



Post Reply

Return to “Se5/5a”