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Post by Marko » Sat May 05, 2018 1:44 pm

I know various engines have been talked about over and over but what is the general opinion on the best value, easiest engine swap to get 200+bhp in a 5a?



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Post by peter freeman » Sat May 05, 2018 1:45 pm

You don't have to swap the engine to get 200 bhp - we have a couple of cars here with well over that.



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Post by BusaPhill » Sat May 05, 2018 2:08 pm

Essex can be built around 200Bhp
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Rover V8
Vauxhall CX v6
Jaguar V6
Saab quite a new swap a few done on here.
I fancy a AJPV8 (TVR 320Bhp) but they are now getting as dear as a Cossie engine.


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Post by peter freeman » Sat May 05, 2018 2:12 pm

We have a Essex running at near 240 bhp - I fitted a Rover V8 to a 6A but kept the bhp down to 180bhp - the engine really suited the car.



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Post by Oaksey » Sat May 05, 2018 2:13 pm

The 'best value' bit rules the Essex out instantly.


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Post by Marko » Sat May 05, 2018 2:37 pm

Yea I have a 5a that came with a rv8 but it got stripped to pieces and never got much further. I know to get 200 out of an Essex is doable but is costly and going beyond that starts to get difficult. I just wondered was it easier/cheaper to get another engine into it.



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Post by peter freeman » Sat May 05, 2018 2:40 pm

Might end up easier if the new rules come into force making it difficult to fit another type of engine. On the plus side fitting a Rover V8 to my 6A made no difference to the insurance cost.



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Post by Marko » Sat May 05, 2018 4:11 pm

What are the new regs you are talking about?



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Post by peter freeman » Sat May 05, 2018 4:12 pm

MOT



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Post by Marko » Sat May 05, 2018 4:16 pm

Yea but what basically effects different engine types? I'm in NI so I haven't really heard.

This may be the answer but I need someone to lend me the other £16,800

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from ... e&_sacat=0



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Post by philhoward » Sat May 05, 2018 4:21 pm

It isn’t the engine that’s the pricey bit on a conversion - it’s all the little bits you need that add up. You can do an X30XE (Omega) for a grand or so though if you’re canny.


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Post by peter freeman » Sat May 05, 2018 4:25 pm

hink you will have to do a search on the site as there's a lot of reading required - I have "stolen" this paragraph from one of Phil's postings.

Engine – alternative cubic capacities of the same basic engine and alternative
original equipment engines are not considered a substantial change. If the number
of cylinders in an engine is different from the original, it is likely to be, but not
necessarily, the case that the current engine is not alternative original equipment.



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Post by DarrylWebb » Sat May 05, 2018 7:48 pm

Tune an Essex : the work and expense will centre on an engine rebuild to produce the required power.
Engine conversion : the work and expense will centre on modifications to engine mounts, exhausts, cooling, transmission, fuel injection, ignition systems, etc.

Your own skill sets will determine which of those 2 are the easier and less costly.

Have you a 'Project Progress' thread up yet, so we can see what you have so far?


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Post by efi_sprintgte » Sat May 05, 2018 7:56 pm

Marko wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 1:44 pm
I know various engines have been talked about over and over but what is the general opinion on the best value, easiest engine swap to get 200+bhp in a 5a?
Cheapest 200+ BHP has got to be the Vauxhall lump and management.

Tuned Essex are a few quid.


Tuned 2.9 will still need a rebuild, heads and a cam.


Cossie V6 needs after market engine management for BOB, even BOA will need to source a gearbox.


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Post by philhoward » Sat May 05, 2018 8:27 pm

Vauxhall V6 is probably the easiest - although if your 5a had a Rover V8 in it already, it could be a close run thing on which is cheapest. Which is the easiest to drive? Probably the Vauxhall lump unless you’ve got a 4.6 RV8 lump lying around.


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